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Episode 219 · 2023-11-06 · 54:41 · Original in Finnish

Tesla as a Winner Stock | Henri Blomster | Negotiator 219

Originally published as “Tesla Voittajaosake | Henri Blomster | Neuvottelija 219”

Asilo Asset Management holds about twelve stocks, and Tesla is one of the largest. The starting point is Bessembinder's finding that only a few percent of listed companies carry the whole index return, which leaves two rational strategies: a cheap broad index, or an active hunt for superstar companies. Blomster derives Tesla's cost advantage from Wright's law, the gigapress, the 48-volt architecture and the Texas lithium refinery, sets it against the modular trap of the legacy carmaker and its 150-plus software suppliers, and opens the energy business that two of the five large bank analyses he sampled did not account for at all. The valuation is then taken apart on EVA metrics: Future Growth Reliance sits at 80 percent, and the current price embeds five years of 25 percent growth. Not investment advice. Commercial collaboration: Neova.

Guest: Henri Blomster · Host: Sami Miettinen

Core theses

  1. Only about four percent of listed companies carry the index, so there are two rational strategies and no third: buy the broad index cheaply, or hunt the superstars actively — a 30-stock portfolio does neither.
  2. Tesla's cost advantage is structural rather than heroic: Wright's law drives cost down with cumulative volume, and the legacy carmaker cannot follow because modularity traded away the capability to redesign the part in the first place.
  3. The energy business is the piece the market has not priced — two of five large bank analyses sampled did not include it at all, while the Lathrop Megapack line targets 1,500 GWh by 2030 from 40 GWh today.
  4. Musk's communication pattern is a real cost but not a disqualifier: the promise is always next year and rarely lands next year, yet the Semi that Daimler's truck chief called physically impossible arrived five years late and is now running at PepsiCo.
  5. On EVA metrics Future Growth Reliance is 80 percent — historically low for Tesla — and the current price embeds five years of 25 percent growth; with no growth at all from here, fair value would be about 20 percent of the current price.

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — The guest, and a Tesla position worth millions
  2. 01:14 — Asilo's philosophy and superstar companies
  3. 02:57 — Why thirty stocks does not simulate the index
  4. 03:16 — The Slack example and an older disagreement
  5. 04:14 — The claim: Tesla as a massively larger Slack
  6. 04:36 — Cars, energy and AI as markets
  7. 05:23 — Technology arrives in bursts, and Nokia's fate
  8. 06:00 — Wright's law and the fall in price
  9. 06:41 — Cars displaced horses in a decade
  10. 07:10 — Wright's law in solar panels too
  11. 08:16 — Production in your own hands versus modularity
  12. 09:28 — Cooling an electric motor, and requirements nobody needs
  13. 10:25 — Fremont, robotisation and extreme oscillation
  14. 11:04 — The idiot index and the lesson from SpaceX
  15. 12:13 — Golden rules that freeze the engineers
  16. 13:52 — Gigafactories: logistical hell and logistical dream
  17. 14:47 — Lithium refining in Texas and the dry battery process
  18. 16:35 — The gigapress and the suppliers who said no
  19. 17:20 — Moving to a 48-volt architecture
  20. 18:26 — The model range, volumes and Q3 margins
  21. 20:24 — Cybertruck: volumes and margins
  22. 21:02 — Musk and Jobs as communicators
  23. 22:33 — Company culture inside a listed company, and OKRs
  24. 23:24 — Difficult chief executives, and the Volkswagen problem
  25. 24:02 — The energy business missing from the bank analyses
  26. 25:07 — Megapack and the 2030 target
  27. 25:28 — Solar as the cheapest energy
  28. 26:44 — Chinese dominance in panels and electric cars
  29. 27:29 — Self-driving and the neural-network approach
  30. 28:04 — The argument over lidar and cameras
  31. 29:03 — Energy cash flow and information hiding in plain sight
  32. 30:07 — Wärtsilä's energy business as a comparison
  33. 31:14 — Tesla's AI competence and hiring the best
  34. 32:48 — Dojo, built from a clean sheet
  35. 34:03 — Thermal expansion, and solving it in-house
  36. 35:25 — Set against Nvidia's fifteen years
  37. 36:19 — Full Self-Driving: the promises and the risks
  38. 37:09 — From level four to level five
  39. 37:44 — Neuralink, and a truck with impossible specs
  40. 38:15 — Robotaxis and the time they free up
  41. 39:03 — A car like an Airbnb apartment
  42. 39:42 — Valuable options nobody prices in
  43. 40:19 — Move fast and break things
  44. 41:22 — Optimus and scalable training
  45. 42:26 — Baby-form general AI, and the flex
  46. 43:07 — Economic value added and Future Growth Reliance
  47. 44:13 — Five years of 25 percent growth
  48. 44:54 — Volkswagen's cheap multiple as a trap
  49. 45:33 — Momentum, short sellers and the technical picture
  50. 46:43 — What the valuation means with no growth at all
  51. 47:00 — The logic of a twelve-stock portfolio
  52. 48:35 — Time for the competitors and the supply chains
  53. 49:06 — Over 150 software suppliers in one car
  54. 50:25 — Over-the-air updates and the direct sales model
  55. 50:54 — When the challenger beats the incumbent
  56. 51:30 — A latticework of mental models as process
  57. 52:38 — Disruption is not a faster horse
  58. 53:34 — When the winner is not yet known
  59. 54:02 — Not investment advice, and the Sisäpiiri continuation

Summary

Asilo Asset Management holds about twelve stocks, and Tesla is one of the largest. The starting point is Bessembinder’s finding that only a few percent of listed companies carry the whole index return, which leaves two rational strategies: a cheap broad index, or an active hunt for superstar companies. Blomster derives Tesla’s cost advantage from Wright’s law, the gigapress, the 48-volt architecture and the Texas lithium refinery, sets it against the modular trap of the legacy carmaker and its 150-plus software suppliers, and opens the energy business that two of the five large bank analyses he sampled did not account for at all. The valuation is then taken apart on EVA metrics: Future Growth Reliance sits at 80 percent, and the current price embeds five years of 25 percent growth.

Not investment advice. The host does not own Tesla; the guest does. Commercial collaboration: Neova.

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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Tesla Voittajaosake | Henri Blomster | Neuvottelija 219. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.

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Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page written from a MacWhisper transcription of the Finnish audio held in the estate's final subtitle set, checked against YouTube metadata and the neuvottelija.fi episode record. Chapter timecodes are the publisher's own chapter list from the Finnish show notes, translated. Figures attributed to the guest are given as he stated them, including the two he explicitly hedged. The episode carries a commercial collaboration with Neova, disclosed in the opening and repeated here. No English caption track is published with this page.. English subtitles: publisher-provided English cues, imported and quality-checked. QA coverage 100% (transcript timecoded). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-08-22 · last reviewed 2026-08-22. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.