Episode 93 · 2021-08-07 · 21:09 · Original in Finnish
Abstract Art | Panu Ruotsalo | Negotiator 93
Originally published as “Abstrakti taide | Panu Ruotsalo | Neuvottelija 93”
The installation artist Panu Ruotsalo comes in from Billnäs to describe how the four glass-embedded works commissioned from him — Power, Principle, Sociability and Analytical Thinking — came into being. The subjects are the four core themes of Neuvotteluvalta, the book by the host and Juhana Torkki, and the question the episode turns on is whether an abstract concept can be depicted abstractly at all. Ruotsalo opens up the materials and symbolism of each piece: goat willow as the root of growth, 22-carat gold as the plane where everything is refined into something higher, glass as the sphere of the human psyche where anything is possible — and the colours, from whisky-toned Power to the endless deep blue of Analytical Thinking. The most unusual passage is his account of why he deliberately avoids seeing other artists' work.
Core theses
- Depicting an abstract concept abstractly is the problem the commission poses, and the episode treats it as a craft question rather than a philosophical one.
- Each material carries a stated meaning — willow for the root of growth, gold for refinement, glass for a psyche in which anything is possible — so the symbolism is declared rather than left to the viewer.
- Avoiding other artists' work is a deliberate method for keeping one's own output uncontaminated, and it has an obvious cost.
- The host's observation that this is the same phenomenon negotiators call rapport is the episode's one genuine cross-domain link.
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Key moments
- 00:00 — Panu Ruotsalo, and the title of installation artist
- 00:36 — From photorealism to abstraction by way of Särestöniemi
- 02:11 — The Sisu Partners work, and an auction for the children's hospital
- 03:32 — A commission with tight constraints, and the first glass sculpture
- 04:31 — The Simpsons and Pictionary: can the abstract be depicted
- 05:34 — The four themes from the book Neuvotteluvalta
- 06:19 — Power, and whisky-coloured glass
- 07:55 — Principle: a smoky, rising form
- 08:42 — Wood, 22-carat gold and glass as materials
- 09:59 — Sociability: a clean encounter
- 10:34 — Analytical thinking, and an endless deep blue
- 11:46 — Why Panu avoids influences, and Banksy in Mänttä
- 12:45 — Rapport as a negotiating technique
- 13:46 — Aalto EE, Runeberginkatu and Pekka Mattila
- 16:09 — Billnäs against Fiskars, and Olli Muurainen's ironworks
- 19:04 — Making the glass in Riihimäki, with Helmi Remes
- 20:10 — The next material: emptiness
- 20:44 — Thanks, and an invitation to subscribe
Summary
The installation artist Panu Ruotsalo comes in from Billnäs to describe how the four glass-embedded works commissioned from him — Power, Principle, Sociability and Analytical Thinking — came into being. The subjects are the four core themes of Neuvotteluvalta, the book by the host and Juhana Torkki, and the question the episode turns on is whether an abstract concept can be depicted abstractly at all. Ruotsalo opens up the materials and symbolism of each piece: goat willow as the root of growth, 22-carat gold as the plane where everything is refined into something higher, glass as the sphere of the human psyche where anything is possible — and the colours, from whisky-toned Power to the endless deep blue of Analytical Thinking. The most unusual passage is his account of why he deliberately avoids seeing other artists’ work.
The problem the commission sets
Depicting power, principle, sociability and analytical thinking is hard in a specific way: the subjects have no appearance. Ruotsalo’s approach is to assign each one a material and a colour and let the meaning sit there, which converts an impossible representational task into a series of decisions that can be argued about.
Declared symbolism
Willow for the root of growth, gold for the plane on which things are refined, glass for a psyche in which anything is possible. Stating the code rather than leaving it to interpretation is unusual, and it makes the works readable in a way abstraction usually resists.
Avoiding everyone else
He deliberately does not look at other artists’ work. The cost is obvious and the reason is the same one negotiators give for rapport: what you spend time with shapes what comes out of you, whether or not you intend it.
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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Abstrakti taide | Panu Ruotsalo | Neuvottelija 93. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.
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