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Episode 91 · 2021-07-23 · 49:44 · Original in Finnish

Corporate Responsibility and Wokenomics | Thomas Taussi | Negotiator 91

Originally published as “Yritysvastuu ja wokenomics | Thomas Taussi | Neuvottelija 91”

The Aalto University researcher Thomas Taussi argues that Milton Friedman's classic 1970 essay has been widely misread. Friedman did not dispute the importance of stakeholders and did not condemn all corporate social responsibility — he criticised one particular doctrine, in which a company's resources are spent on activities with no purpose of supporting the business. The episode's load-bearing observation is conceptual: responsibility sets itself no limits and does not explain itself, with the consequence that almost anything can be pursued under its cover. Taussi locates the source of his own scepticism precisely — the question is not whether the goals are good, but whether limits can be set at all on things that depart from the core business. The examples include Neste Oil's biofuel turn, Stora Enso's China venture, the Finnair deportation controversy, the Google and Apple dismissals, and Basecamp's depoliticisation.

Guest: Thomas Taussi · Host: Sami Miettinen

Core theses

  1. The criticism is conceptual rather than political: a term that sets no limits on itself can be used to justify almost anything, whatever the merits of any particular goal.
  2. Friedman's essay criticised one doctrine and is routinely read as condemning all corporate responsibility, which is a misreading with consequences.
  3. The real question is not whether the aims are good but whether any limit can be set on departures from the core business — and nobody in the debate has proposed one.
  4. Costly signalling explains why the most visible responsibility measures are often the least efficient ones, which is Veblen's argument applied to a modern setting.

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — Opening teaser: the limits of responsibility, and the Finnair deportation controversy
  2. 01:41 — Thomas Taussi, and the profit purpose in the Companies Act
  3. 02:52 — Friedman's 1970 essay has been misunderstood
  4. 04:29 — Responsibility as a fashion, and the five foundations of a business
  5. 06:41 — Influence or responsibility: Neste Oil's biofuel strategy
  6. 08:47 — Wahlroos's three-way split: markets, democracy and hierarchy
  7. 10:29 — Transparency in the division of power, and ideological agendas inside an organisation
  8. 12:43 — The UN sustainable development goals, Stora Enso and Kemijärvi
  9. 16:33 — Wokenomics: Google's James Damore, and the Apple case
  10. 19:23 — Responsibility as a cloud of concepts: Finnair and Finnwatch
  11. 21:24 — A chief executive's weak protection, and minimising reputational damage
  12. 22:53 — Basecamp and Coinbase: the depoliticisation of a company
  13. 24:27 — The chief executive as moral compass in the Trump era
  14. 26:50 — Business leaders as advocates for the EU recovery package
  15. 28:34 — A concept that sets no limits: useful practice or end in itself
  16. 30:49 — ESG standards in a listing, and impact investing
  17. 33:15 — Cognitive diversity, and the mythical spread of practices
  18. 36:03 — The EU taxonomy: nuclear, hydro, and the lesson of wind
  19. 38:17 — Choosing the rapporteurs, and parliamentary transparency
  20. 40:45 — Costly signalling: the peacock, private jets and diversity departments
  21. 44:29 — Friedman's paradox: fear of pressure groups, and paying the ransom
  22. 46:53 — The positive brand of the market economy, and closing words

Summary

The Aalto University researcher Thomas Taussi argues that Milton Friedman’s classic 1970 essay has been widely misread. Friedman did not dispute the importance of stakeholders and did not condemn all corporate social responsibility — he criticised one particular doctrine, in which a company’s resources are spent on activities with no purpose of supporting the business. The episode’s load-bearing observation is conceptual: responsibility sets itself no limits and does not explain itself, with the consequence that almost anything can be pursued under its cover. Taussi locates the source of his own scepticism precisely — the question is not whether the goals are good, but whether limits can be set at all on things that depart from the core business. The examples include Neste Oil’s biofuel turn, Stora Enso’s China venture, the Finnair deportation controversy, the Google and Apple dismissals, and Basecamp’s depoliticisation.

A conceptual objection, not a political one

Taussi is careful about where his scepticism sits, and it is worth preserving: he is not arguing that the goals pursued under corporate responsibility are bad. He is arguing that the term sets no boundary on itself, so it cannot distinguish between a good use and a bad one — and a concept that cannot exclude anything is doing no work.

What Friedman actually wrote

The 1970 essay attacked a specific doctrine: spending the company’s resources on activities with no purpose of supporting the business. It did not deny that stakeholders matter. The difference between those two positions is most of the argument that has been conducted in Friedman’s name ever since.

Why the visible measures win

Costly signalling predicts that the measures which are expensive and legible will be preferred to the ones that are cheap and effective, because the point is the signal. It is Veblen’s argument and it explains a pattern the episode’s own examples display.

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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Yritysvastuu ja wokenomics | Thomas Taussi | Neuvottelija 91. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.

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Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and the publisher's own chapter marks, translated one for one. The marks are genuine: twenty-two of them, with gaps from 71 to over 200 seconds, tracking the recording rather than a grid. No transcript is published here — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The guest argues one side of a contested question and nobody defending corporate responsibility practice is present; the named cases, including the Finnair controversy and the Google and Apple dismissals, are described from his position and the organisations involved are not represented. The host offers a counter-reading which Taussi accepts as an addition rather than adopting. Recorded 23 July 2021.. English subtitles: not available on this page; this is an episode summary, not a curated transcript. QA coverage 0% (metadata only). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-09-20 · last reviewed 2026-09-20. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.