Episode 80 · 2021-05-21 · 35:01 · Original in Finnish
Private Capital Funds | Kimmo Eloranta | Negotiator 80
Originally published as “Yksityiset pääomarahastot | Kimmo Eloranta | Neuvottelija 80”
Kimmo Eloranta raises capital for unlisted funds from professional investors, and in this episode he explains how the money actually moves: an investor commits to a fund, the fund calls the capital only when an investment is made, the portfolio company builds through add-on acquisitions, and the proceeds of an exit return through the fund to the investor. He corrects a common misconception — the unlisted market is not mainly early-stage crowdfunding but overwhelmingly large, cash-flow-positive companies, some of them bigger than listed ones. The heart of the argument is why the asset class has outgrown the public market: majority ownership gives a single strategic direction, the funds hold decades of crisis playbooks, and their operational teams roll one playbook across a whole portfolio. Miettinen presses on the flip side — the information advantage over regulated listed companies, and the fact that ordinary savers cannot get in, which he calls a fairness problem. Along the way: Bengt Holmström on whether the exchange's transparency costs more than it is worth, why pension funds' roughly 14 per cent return from this class benefits everyone, and Smartly's sale to Providence as an example of Finnish international scaling.
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Key moments
- 00:00 — How money moves from fund to portfolio company
- 01:06 — The episode's subject and the guest
- 01:28 — Kimmo's path from Nokia into private capital
- 02:32 — Sami's experience of crowdfunding and angel investments
- 04:01 — The unlisted market is much more than that
- 04:46 — Venture funds and successes like Oura
- 05:23 — Exchange liquidity and the owner's lock-in
- 06:02 — Private equity and the size classes of funds
- 06:29 — Blackstone-scale giants in London
- 07:53 — Mid-market and a shared deal with Translink
- 08:24 — Helix Capital and a two-billion fundraising
- 09:10 — Buy and build as a method of value creation
- 09:45 — The pipe from investor to fund to portfolio company
- 10:20 — What a capital call actually is
- 11:13 — The unlisted market grows faster than the exchange
- 11:50 — Majority ownership allows a single direction
- 12:53 — Commitment and efficient allocation of capital
- 13:40 — Who the asset class actually suits
- 14:37 — The professionalisation of the industry since the 1980s
- 16:10 — From leverage to financing growth
- 16:45 — Pension companies' roughly 14 per cent return
- 17:43 — Hedge funds and activist investors compared
- 18:50 — Information advantage and the exchange's regulatory burden
- 20:01 — Bengt Holmström on the cost of exchange information
- 20:33 — Active value creation and the investment flat analogy
- 21:27 — Ville Valkonen's rental investing comparison
- 22:31 — Crisis playbooks and the Covid year
- 23:26 — Operational teams and portfolio synergies
- 24:14 — Lessons from the Nokia years on international growth
- 24:55 — Are there wealthy investors in Finland
- 26:07 — Finnish wealth in European comparison
- 28:20 — Wealth tied up in homes and property
- 29:02 — Why underweighting the United States rarely pays
- 30:31 — Private equity governance takes market share
- 31:03 — The key man clause and the decisive role of the team
- 31:44 — What else the unlisted field should cover
- 32:07 — Property and infrastructure as future financing targets
- 33:37 — Smartly, Providence and international scaling
- 34:01 — Growth companies and the circulation of capital
- 34:33 — Closing words and thanks
Summary
Kimmo Eloranta raises capital for unlisted funds from professional investors, and in this episode he explains how the money actually moves: an investor commits to a fund, the fund calls the capital only when an investment is made, the portfolio company builds through add-on acquisitions, and the proceeds of an exit return through the fund to the investor. He corrects a common misconception — the unlisted market is not mainly early-stage crowdfunding but overwhelmingly large, cash-flow-positive companies, some of them bigger than listed ones. The heart of the argument is why the asset class has outgrown the public market: majority ownership gives a single strategic direction, the funds hold decades of crisis playbooks, and their operational teams roll one playbook across a whole portfolio. Miettinen presses on the flip side — the information advantage over regulated listed companies, and the fact that ordinary savers cannot get in, which he calls a fairness problem. Along the way: Bengt Holmström on whether the exchange’s transparency costs more than it is worth, why pension funds’ roughly 14 per cent return from this class benefits everyone, and Smartly’s sale to Providence as an example of Finnish international scaling.
Chapters
- 00:00 — How money moves from fund to portfolio company
- 01:06 — The episode’s subject and the guest
- 01:28 — Kimmo’s path from Nokia into private capital
- 02:32 — Sami’s experience of crowdfunding and angel investments
- 04:01 — The unlisted market is much more than that
- 04:46 — Venture funds and successes like Oura
- 05:23 — Exchange liquidity and the owner’s lock-in
- 06:02 — Private equity and the size classes of funds
- 06:29 — Blackstone-scale giants in London
- 07:53 — Mid-market and a shared deal with Translink
- 08:24 — Helix Capital and a two-billion fundraising
- 09:10 — Buy and build as a method of value creation
- 09:45 — The pipe from investor to fund to portfolio company
- 10:20 — What a capital call actually is
- 11:13 — The unlisted market grows faster than the exchange
- 11:50 — Majority ownership allows a single direction
- 12:53 — Commitment and efficient allocation of capital
- 13:40 — Who the asset class actually suits
- 14:37 — The professionalisation of the industry since the 1980s
- 16:10 — From leverage to financing growth
- 16:45 — Pension companies’ roughly 14 per cent return
- 17:43 — Hedge funds and activist investors compared
- 18:50 — Information advantage and the exchange’s regulatory burden
- 20:01 — Bengt Holmström on the cost of exchange information
- 20:33 — Active value creation and the investment flat analogy
- 21:27 — Ville Valkonen’s rental investing comparison
- 22:31 — Crisis playbooks and the Covid year
- 23:26 — Operational teams and portfolio synergies
- 24:14 — Lessons from the Nokia years on international growth
- 24:55 — Are there wealthy investors in Finland
- 26:07 — Finnish wealth in European comparison
- 28:20 — Wealth tied up in homes and property
- 29:02 — Why underweighting the United States rarely pays
- 30:31 — Private equity governance takes market share
- 31:03 — The key man clause and the decisive role of the team
- 31:44 — What else the unlisted field should cover
- 32:07 — Property and infrastructure as future financing targets
- 33:37 — Smartly, Providence and international scaling
- 34:01 — Growth companies and the circulation of capital
- 34:33 — Closing words and thanks
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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Yksityiset pääomarahastot | Kimmo Eloranta | Neuvottelija 80. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.
People and topics
Guests: Kimmo Eloranta