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Episode 62 · 2021-02-05 · 46:30 · Original in Finnish

Dark Scaremongering, the Euro and the Government's Bogeymen | Tuomas Malinen | Negotiator 62

Originally published as “Pimeää pelottelua, euro ja hallituksen möröt | Tuomas Malinen | Neuvottelija 62”

Tuomas Malinen, CEO of GnS Economics, argues that the EU recovery fund is not a one-off but the end point of a transfer union, and that currency unions historically have only two directions: they break up, or they become political unions. The discussion runs from Esko Aho's 1998 warning about "dark scaremongering" to the two functions of an exchange rate, why Finland's longest post-independence recession happened without a currency of its own, and how capital flows from weak member states to strong ones inside a common currency. Sami Miettinen brings in central bank capitalism and the idea of federal debt as a new source of monetary heroin. The episode ends on the smear campaign directed at Malinen, a research seminar that eight foundations declined to fund, and his claim that Finland has a deeper, structural form of corruption than international indices capture.

Guest: Tuomas Malinen · Host: Sami Miettinen

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — Currency unions have only two directions
  2. 00:54 — The government insists it will not accept EU taxation
  3. 01:33 — Introducing Tuomas Malinen of GnS Economics
  4. 02:07 — A week in the company of the establishment
  5. 02:35 — The prime minister avoids the recovery fund debate
  6. 03:52 — The level of debate has clearly improved
  7. 04:42 — The effect on exports is negligible
  8. 05:58 — Juha Tervala's report to the finance committee
  9. 06:35 — The fund is an increase in the EU membership fee
  10. 07:00 — Esko Aho and the 1991 float
  11. 08:52 — Lipponen took Finland into the euro in 1998
  12. 09:51 — Devaluations lifted Finland out of the depression
  13. 10:42 — A currency of its own and growth from the 1860s
  14. 12:48 — The GameStop analogy for pegging a currency
  15. 13:33 — Wahlroos and the function of a flexible exchange rate
  16. 14:35 — The longest recession since independence, without a currency
  17. 15:22 — Wage flexibility would have to be enormous
  18. 17:51 — Why Finland was taken into the euro deliberately
  19. 19:29 — The two central functions of an exchange rate
  20. 20:37 — Capital flows towards the strong countries
  21. 22:13 — Greece's second bailout and the year 2011
  22. 22:55 — The recovery fund as the end point of a transfer union
  23. 24:12 — The package becomes a permanent transfer
  24. 26:34 — Own resources and EU-level taxation
  25. 27:07 — Central bank capitalism and Sauli Vilén
  26. 29:23 — Central bank financing always ends in catastrophe
  27. 30:44 — The treaties are reinterpreted without any vote
  28. 32:13 — Referendum initiatives are systematically rejected
  29. 33:03 — Smearing and claims about dubious company
  30. 35:24 — Targeting and deplatforming as tools of debate
  31. 37:26 — Sweden defended its ECU peg with a 500 percent rate
  32. 38:38 — Malinen's worst economic-policy misjudgement
  33. 38:55 — The Galbraith seminar that went unfunded
  34. 40:15 — Finland has a deeper structural corruption
  35. 42:11 — From heresy to self-evident truth
  36. 42:41 — Where a transfer union would lead in Europe
  37. 43:29 — Federation, bailout and the balanced budget
  38. 44:24 — Member states would become vassal states
  39. 44:57 — Italy's euro threat set the whole package in motion
  40. 45:19 — Now is the moment to return to the rules
  41. 45:43 — A wish that the government would join the debate

Summary

Tuomas Malinen, CEO of GnS Economics, argues that the EU recovery fund is not a one-off but the end point of a transfer union, and that currency unions historically have only two directions: they break up, or they become political unions. The discussion runs from Esko Aho’s 1998 warning about “dark scaremongering” to the two functions of an exchange rate, why Finland’s longest post-independence recession happened without a currency of its own, and how capital flows from weak member states to strong ones inside a common currency. Sami Miettinen brings in central bank capitalism and the idea of federal debt as a new source of monetary heroin. The episode ends on the smear campaign directed at Malinen, a research seminar that eight foundations declined to fund, and his claim that Finland has a deeper, structural form of corruption than international indices capture.

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Guests: Tuomas Malinen

Topics: Finnish Economy & Policy Investing & Markets

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Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page created on 2026-08-30 from a MacWhisper Finnish transcription (530 cues, entity pass applied from the archived raw). Chapter timecodes are the publisher's own YouTube chapter list, verified cue by cue against the transcript, and the titles are translated from it. Subtitles are Finnish only; no English cue track shipped.. English subtitles: publisher-provided English cues, imported and quality-checked. QA coverage 100% (transcript timecoded). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-08-30 · last reviewed 2026-08-30. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.