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Episode 305 · 2025-02-12 · 46:00 · Original in Finnish

Millionaire by options, not inheritance | Riku Asikainen | Negotiator 305

Originally published as “Miljonääriksi optioilla ei perinnöllä | Riku Asikainen | Neuvottelija 305”

Riku Asikainen of Evli Growth Partners — also chair of the Finnish Venture Capital Association — and Sami Miettinen work through why employee options disappeared from Finland and what that has cost growth companies. An option is taxed as earned income on the day it is exercised, so five years of appreciation land in a single day at the top marginal rate. Asikainen's thesis has an unusual shape: because no option income arises at all today, moving to capital gains taxation cannot lose a single euro of revenue — you cannot lose from zero. Also the cap table and waterfall calculations, a buyer's bafflement at employer charges landing in an exit, Yrjö Kopra's employee share model, and a Supreme Administrative Court ruling on swapping options for shares.

Guest: Riku Asikainen · Host: Sami Miettinen

Core theses

  1. Taxing an option as earned income on the day of exercise compresses years of appreciation into one day at the top marginal rate.
  2. The revenue argument is structural rather than dynamic: if no option income arises today, a change of regime cannot lose revenue that does not exist.
  3. Employer charges landing in an exit are the detail that surprises foreign buyers, and it is a cap table problem before it is a tax one.
  4. The guest chairs the industry association whose members benefit from the reform he proposes.

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — Content warning: two economists and Finglish
  2. 00:38 — From Dragons' Den to a bookshop and fifty angel investments
  3. 02:00 — Evli Growth Partners and the scarcity of scale-up capital in Finland
  4. 02:42 — Down round, in Finnish
  5. 03:23 — The Translink SaaS index, and vertical SaaS without English
  6. 04:49 — Miettinen's thesis, and what an option actually is
  7. 06:12 — Options at Nokia, Sampo and Fortum: what happened
  8. 08:00 — Options are taxed as earned income on a single day
  9. 08:54 — The strike price and a 59 per cent marginal rate
  10. 10:08 — An international hire does not want Finnish options
  11. 10:42 — Capital gains tax would lose no revenue, because there is none
  12. 11:17 — A CFO paid half in options: the American model
  13. 11:50 — A buyer puzzled by the employer charges in an exit
  14. 12:08 — The cap table problem and waterfall calculations
  15. 14:49 — A thesis for Ahtisaari
  16. 15:16 — Kopra's employee share model is too complex
  17. 16:47 — The demand: employee options as capital income
  18. 17:11 — Board members, and the taxman's ownership decisions
  19. 18:45 — A 2025 Supreme Administrative Court ruling on options to shares
  20. 21:08 — Broad option pools support an IPO market
  21. 22:50 — Elon Musk got rich on options, not as a founder
  22. 24:16 — Kim Väisänen as Finland's DOGE man
  23. 25:20 — Option tax reform for the government's final stretch
  24. 26:15 — Inheritance tax: a public apology
  25. 27:44 — The family business lobby, and what inheritance tax costs
  26. 29:00 — Capital gains tax protects passive wealth
  27. 30:18 — Business succession relief and the 3.8 per cent effect
  28. 31:24 — Sweden without gift tax, and Kickstarter patrons
  29. 34:10 — The lock-in effect and compounding
  30. 36:18 — Sweden's 700 billion wealth lead
  31. 36:45 — Median wealth is nonetheless the same
  32. 38:49 — A ten per cent chance in the government programme
  33. 39:35 — The worst tax is the tax on earned income
  34. 41:31 — Finnish peculiarities in a cross-border exit
  35. 43:00 — Norway's wealth and exit taxes drive talent away
  36. 45:07 — Inner Circle: an angel against Dragons' Den

Summary

Riku Asikainen of Evli Growth Partners — also chair of the Finnish Venture Capital Association — and Sami Miettinen work through why employee options disappeared from Finland and what that has cost growth companies. An option is taxed as earned income on the day it is exercised, so five years of appreciation land in a single day at the top marginal rate. Asikainen’s thesis has an unusual shape: because no option income arises at all today, moving to capital gains taxation cannot lose a single euro of revenue — you cannot lose from zero. Also the cap table and waterfall calculations, a buyer’s bafflement at employer charges landing in an exit, Yrjö Kopra’s employee share model, and a Supreme Administrative Court ruling on swapping options for shares.

The mechanism

An employee option is taxed as earned income on the day it is exercised. Five years of appreciation therefore land in one tax year at the top marginal rate, which is why the instrument disappeared from Finnish growth companies and why an international hire treats a Finnish option grant as close to worthless.

The argument’s unusual shape

Most tax reform arguments rely on dynamic effects that the other side disputes. This one does not: if essentially no option income arises today, then moving to capital gains taxation cannot lose revenue, because there is none to lose. That is a structural claim rather than a behavioural forecast — and it is made by someone whose industry would gain from the change.

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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Miljonääriksi optioilla ei perinnöllä | Riku Asikainen | Neuvottelija 305. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.

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Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and the publisher's own chapter marks, translated one for one; their spacing is irregular and matches the recording. No transcript is published here — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The guest chairs the Finnish Venture Capital Association and works in growth investing, so he is arguing for a reform his industry would benefit from; the long-form write-up in the Neuvottelija AI editions states that.. English subtitles: not available on this page; this is an episode summary, not a curated transcript. QA coverage 0% (metadata only). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-09-20 · last reviewed 2026-09-20. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.