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Episode 24 · 2020-06-18 · 16:44 · Original in Finnish

Charts on the Facts: Markka or Federation | Tuomas Malinen | Neuvottelija 24

Originally published as “#neuvottelija 24 - Tuomas Malinen Faktakaaviot - Markka vai Liittovaltio?”

Tuomas Malinen of GnS Economics and Sami Miettinen work slide by slide through the most common misconceptions about an independent currency and an EU federation. The episode shows that Finnish interest rates were not exceptionally high during the markka era once the currency floated, and that the rate spike came from defending a fixed exchange rate rather than from having one's own money. The discussion presents the GnS simulation of how the markka would have moved during the euro years and its countercyclical effect, and compares US federal tax levels with the EU equivalent. It closes on Puerto Rico's debt restructuring, the broken no-bailout principle, and where a federation's ten-point tax increase would come from.

Guest: Tuomas Malinen · Host: Sami Miettinen

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — The claim about fourteen percent rates in the markka era
  2. 01:40 — Finland's long rate tracking Sweden and the euro average
  3. 03:20 — Leaving the ERM and Sweden's five hundred percent rate
  4. 05:00 — The GnS simulation of the markka during the euro years
  5. 06:40 — A countercyclical safety valve and US federal taxes
  6. 08:20 — The EU's forty-two percent tax burden and the price of a federation
  7. 10:00 — Net contributors transfers and how the US actually equalises
  8. 11:40 — Puerto Rico in restructuring and the broken no-bailout rule
  9. 13:20 — Brexit the net contribution and Italy turning recipient
  10. 15:00 — Moral hazard and where ten percentage points would come from

Summary

Tuomas Malinen of GnS Economics and Sami Miettinen work slide by slide through the most common misconceptions about an independent currency and an EU federation. The episode shows that Finnish interest rates were not exceptionally high during the markka era once the currency floated, and that the rate spike came from defending a fixed exchange rate rather than from having one’s own money. The discussion presents the GnS simulation of how the markka would have moved during the euro years and its countercyclical effect, and compares US federal tax levels with the EU equivalent. It closes on Puerto Rico’s debt restructuring, the broken no-bailout principle, and where a federation’s ten-point tax increase would come from.

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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: #neuvottelija 24 - Tuomas Malinen Faktakaaviot - Markka vai Liittovaltio?. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.

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Guests: Tuomas Malinen

Topics: Finnish Economy & Policy

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Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and the published Neuvottelija AI edition summary. No transcript imported.. English subtitles: publisher-provided English cues, imported and quality-checked. QA coverage 0% (metadata only). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-08-13 · last reviewed 2026-08-13. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.