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Episode 113 · 2021-12-19 · 52:51 · Original in Finnish

Investor School and Little Entrepreneurs | Mikko Nurminen and Timo Holmström | Negotiator 113

Originally published as “Sijoittajakoulu ja pikkuyrittäjät | Nurminen Holmström | #neuvottelija 113”

Two initiatives with one shared observation: financial matters are not learned in theory. Mikko Nurminen's Little Entrepreneurs brings a programme into primary schools where ten- and eleven-year-olds found a real company and end up selling their products to a real customer, and the decisive moment is when money changes hands. Timo Holmström's Investor School does not aim to tell pupils about investing but to get a sixteen-year-old actually to open a securities account; the essential ingredient is community, because for young people social incentives do the work. The episode also covers a charity portfolio for low-income young people, why an entrepreneur needs investor education most of all, and the entrepreneur's social security.

Guests: Mikko Nurminen, Timo Holmström · Host: Sami Miettinen

Core theses

  1. The learning happens when money actually changes hands, which is why a simulated exercise and a real sale are not versions of the same lesson.
  2. The measurable objective is an account opened, not a curriculum covered — a far harder target and a far better one.
  3. For teenagers the binding incentive is social, so the community around the programme does more work than its content.
  4. Entrepreneurs are the group with the greatest need for investor education and the least time to seek it out.

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Summary

Two initiatives with one shared observation: financial matters are not learned in theory. Mikko Nurminen’s Little Entrepreneurs brings a programme into primary schools where ten- and eleven-year-olds found a real company and end up selling their products to a real customer, and the decisive moment is when money changes hands. Timo Holmström’s Investor School does not aim to tell pupils about investing but to get a sixteen-year-old actually to open a securities account; the essential ingredient is community, because for young people social incentives do the work. The episode also covers a charity portfolio for low-income young people, why an entrepreneur needs investor education most of all, and the entrepreneur’s social security.

The moment money moves

A classroom exercise in which nothing is at stake teaches the vocabulary and not the thing. Nurminen’s programme runs until a real customer pays real money, and his claim is that the learning is concentrated almost entirely in that transaction. It is a strong claim and an easy one to test.

An account, not a syllabus

Holmström’s measure of success is unusually concrete: a sixteen-year-old who has opened a securities account. Stating the objective that way makes the programme falsifiable, and it is harder to reach than any amount of coverage.

Social incentives do the work

For this age group the deciding factor is who else is doing it. That makes the community around the programme the active ingredient and the material the delivery mechanism, which is the reverse of how financial education is usually designed.

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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Sijoittajakoulu ja pikkuyrittäjät | Nurminen Holmström | #neuvottelija 113. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.

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Guests: Mikko Nurminen, Timo Holmström

Topics: Investing & Markets Leadership & Governance

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Source and content status

Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata and the neuvottelija.fi episode record. No chapter marks are published here: the publisher's list holds only two marks, at 0:00 and 0:49, and it is a split of the show-note text rather than a chapter list, so republishing it would assert timestamps that do not hold. No transcript is published either — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. Both guests run the programmes they describe and the episode is promotional for both; encouraging sixteen-year-olds to open securities accounts is a contested aim in financial education and no one arguing against it is present. Nothing in the episode is investment advice.. English subtitles: not available on this page; this is an episode summary, not a curated transcript. QA coverage 0% (metadata only). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-09-20 · last reviewed 2026-09-20. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.