Podcast · Viikon viisasteluklubi Viisastelu 26.5.2023 · 2023-05-26 · 59:56 · In Finnish

Pride and the Coalition, defamation in the civil courts, and the arithmetic of coalition talks — Sami Miettinen on Weekly Wiseguys

Published as “Viisastelu: Pride-öyhöt voimansa tunnossa | Oikeistohallistus vaarassa | Sananvapaus pulassa!”

Hosted by: Ivan Puopolo

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Sami Miettinen joined Viikon viisastelu — Ivan Puopolo’s weekly political panel, known in English here as Weekly Wiseguys — on 26 May 2023, alongside Tere Sammallahti and Finns Party MP Onni Rostila. It was recorded in the middle of Petteri Orpo’s coalition negotiations, on the day the Finns Party had put a clock deadline on the immigration items, and the panel is openly guessing about an outcome nobody yet knew.

Three subjects. The first is Helsinki Pride ending its partnership with the National Coalition Party. The panel’s durable argument there is not about the trans law but about predictability: nobody published in advance what counted as a breach, so the rule could not guide anyone’s behaviour. Alongside it sits an honest concession — the removal of the old law’s infertility requirement was a real reform — and a commercial observation about which side of a sponsorship actually holds the audience.

The second is personal. Sammallahti describes being repeatedly called a Nazi online, and walks through, out loud, why he decided not to file a criminal complaint: it would sit badly with his own free-speech position, and a complaint that went nowhere would be read as vindication for the people making the claim. What he proposes instead is the most concrete thing in the episode — move ordinary defamation out of the criminal code and into the civil courts, as in the United States, leaving the aggravated offence in criminal law, on the grounds that criminal-defamation complaints consume police and court capacity. He states the intended effect plainly: the threshold would rise.

The third is the coalition talks, and Sami’s contribution is a negotiation read given by name: the Coalition concedes because it has no credible plan B, the Swedish People’s Party is the real kingmaker weighing economic policy against its own immigration line, and a public ultimatum is usually a sign of weak leverage rather than strong. One of the other guests says on air that he cannot sign up to all of the premises. That disagreement, and one other, are left in.

Chapters

• 00:00 — The line-up: “the fourth estate” group chat
• 01:45 — Ice hockey and a loss in Tampere
• 02:38 — The items on today’s agenda
• 03:24 — Set theory, and two sets that cannot overlap
• 04:10 — Identity politics and the demand to pick a side
• 05:03 — Why the partnership ended: how MPs voted, and “transphobic speech”
• 05:51 — The trans law as a package — what was actually voted on
• 06:37 — Sammallahti: collective purity is a strange way to treat the world
• 07:25 — A message to the Coalition ahead of the coalition talks
• 08:32 — Exclusion, and the way back into the fold
• 09:23 — Partnership fees as protection money — the analogy and its limits
• 10:09 — The political grid, and where the Coalition gets pushed
• 11:02 — The alternative: do the same things without the flag
• 11:47 — Equality on its own arguments
• 12:33 — TERF, orthodoxy, and the market for sin
• 13:21 — Why defining sin is power
• 14:11 — Anti-racism as the original sin of the age
• 15:01 — Drawing the moral line as a strength of the left
• 15:46 — Collectivism, and why it feels alienating
• 16:34 — The rule that was never published
• 17:25 — Rostila: a growing public sector grows its own constituency
• 18:16 — The disagreement: conscious strategy, or sincere belief?
• 19:09 — The modern sale of indulgences
• 19:56 — Who needs whom: the brand or the partner
• 20:42 — An analogy best read as rhetoric
• 22:21 — What the trans law already achieved — and what is left
• 23:16 — The logic of power: the demands have to keep coming
• 24:09 — Consumer boycotts and the corporate calculation
• 24:57 — Douglas Murray’s prediction of a backlash
• 25:48 — What comes next — and what is a straw man
• 26:35 — The ask: it has to be possible to discuss this sensibly
• 27:22 — Sammallahti on his own case
• 28:07 — Why it is not just words
• 28:54 — Two political risks in filing a complaint
• 29:40 — The proposal: move defamation to the civil courts
• 30:28 — What about those who cannot afford to litigate?
• 31:15 — The aggravated offence would stay in criminal law
• 32:04 — Where the Nazi accusation comes from
• 32:54 — What an over-the-top insult says about the person making it
• 33:41 — Dog whistles, and reading hidden motives
• 34:30 — Why the claim cannot be disproved
• 35:19 — Guessing at hidden motives in one direction only
• 36:06 — Labelling as a pre-emptive move
• 36:53 — Adult education centres: an interview that turned on its own argument
• 37:43 — €180 million, and the question of measurable benefit
• 38:30 — The counter: private provision and a voucher
• 40:07 — Who actually uses the service
• 40:56 — Free of charge is not free
• 41:44 — Why no spending ceiling ever gets set
• 42:31 — Miettinen: a subsidy destroys the market
• 43:17 — A correction mid-argument
• 44:11 — Anything free attracts a queue
• 45:03 — Health centre fees and co-payments
• 45:56 — Public funding as a gift, not an entitlement
• 47:36 — Coalition talks: the Swedish People’s Party as kingmaker
• 48:24 — The blue-red alternative and its economic policy
• 49:10 — Miettinen’s analysis: the Coalition will concede
• 49:58 — Humanitarian and work-based immigration as separate questions
• 50:44 — Why Purra raised it now
• 51:32 — Disagreement about the premises
• 52:22 — A public ultimatum as negotiating strategy
• 53:12 — Talks that do not leak, and reporters guessing
• 54:04 — A comparison with the 2015 negotiations
• 55:58 — Two large parties instead of three
• 56:50 — When a negotiation turns into a contest of prestige
• 57:41 — The naive way and the smart way to negotiate
• 59:21 — Sign-off: the answer comes at six

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