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Episode 77 · 2021-05-08 · 16:52 · Original in Finnish

Vote Down the EU Package in Parliament | Tuomas Malinen | Negotiator 77

Originally published as “Kaadetaan EU-paketti eduskunnassa | Tuomas Malinen | Neuvottelija 77”

GnS Economics CEO Tuomas Malinen returns to the channel just before the decisive vote on the EU recovery instrument and calls on Parliament to vote the package down. The episode's central tension is between the government's assurances that the arrangement is one-off and Malinen's view that the fund is a gateway to a transfer union and an EU federation, at the end of which road lies the dismantling of the Finnish welfare state. Malinen works through the treaty articles the package breaks — 310, which forbids the EU from funding its spending with debt, and 125, which forbids fiscal transfers — and argues that once these are set aside, no article can be relied on again, security guarantees included. He also takes apart two consolations: that the package is an investment programme, and that the ECB will simply monetise the debt away. The conclusion is that EU taxes are already in the pipeline, and if the total tax rate is not to rise, the money comes out of domestic transfers — social security and pensions.

Guest: Tuomas Malinen · Host: Sami Miettinen

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — From rules-based order to arbitrariness
  2. 00:15 — Malinen returns to the channel after a long break
  3. 00:44 — Covid restrictions and a disagreement about medicine
  4. 01:04 — The recovery instrument in its final stretch after a year's work
  5. 01:19 — The constitutional law committee and the two-thirds majority
  6. 01:53 — A subscriber poll on whether the package passes
  7. 02:10 — Malinen calls for the package to be voted down
  8. 02:41 — Scaremongering about reputational harm, and life in the periphery
  9. 03:03 — Who takes responsibility if the fund is enlarged
  10. 03:35 — The shift to a fiscal transfer union
  11. 04:14 — Transfers are based on differences in living standards
  12. 04:59 — The green transition and the claim of an investment programme
  13. 05:04 — State-led environmental projects are unproductive
  14. 05:09 — A rotten cake with a couple of strawberries on top
  15. 06:02 — Let us remember the names of those who decided this
  16. 06:12 — Would the package failing be the end of the world
  17. 06:31 — Market reactions and central bank purchase programmes
  18. 06:54 — Why is Italy being supported at all
  19. 07:12 — Cheap loans and the stability mechanism are available
  20. 07:30 — A grant does not fix over-indebtedness
  21. 07:48 — Italy's possible exit from the euro
  22. 08:05 — The euro does not survive without transfers
  23. 08:35 — Vesa Kanniainen's working group and the scenarios
  24. 09:00 — Budget support without an EU central budget
  25. 09:16 — A union should be built by amending the treaties
  26. 09:32 — Articles 310 and 125 explained
  27. 10:23 — The Pringle ruling and incentives for bad fiscal policy
  28. 10:47 — The economic articles are permanently trampled
  29. 11:15 — Security guarantees can be reinterpreted
  30. 11:30 — Legal scholars stay silent on an obvious problem
  31. 11:54 — The transfer of budget sovereignty is plain
  32. 12:14 — A slave mentality, and growing a backbone
  33. 13:07 — "The ECB will monetise it" — the claim that the debt disappears
  34. 13:21 — Target 2 claims are collateralised
  35. 14:10 — National central banks cover the ECB's losses
  36. 14:47 — Central banks cannot buy the world clean
  37. 15:13 — Federal debt's incentives and political allocation
  38. 15:44 — EU taxes are already in the pipeline
  39. 16:04 — A rising tax rate and cuts to social security
  40. 16:21 — The fund as a gateway to an EU federation
  41. 16:34 — MPs have a button to press

Summary

GnS Economics CEO Tuomas Malinen returns to the channel just before the decisive vote on the EU recovery instrument and calls on Parliament to vote the package down. The episode’s central tension is between the government’s assurances that the arrangement is one-off and Malinen’s view that the fund is a gateway to a transfer union and an EU federation, at the end of which road lies the dismantling of the Finnish welfare state. Malinen works through the treaty articles the package breaks — 310, which forbids the EU from funding its spending with debt, and 125, which forbids fiscal transfers — and argues that once these are set aside, no article can be relied on again, security guarantees included. He also takes apart two consolations: that the package is an investment programme, and that the ECB will simply monetise the debt away. The conclusion is that EU taxes are already in the pipeline, and if the total tax rate is not to rise, the money comes out of domestic transfers — social security and pensions.

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Guests: Tuomas Malinen

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Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page created on 2026-08-30 from a MacWhisper Finnish transcription (220 cues, entity pass applied from the archived raw). Chapter timecodes are the publisher's own YouTube chapter list, verified cue by cue against the transcript, and the titles are translated from it. Subtitles are Finnish only; no English cue track shipped.. English subtitles: publisher-provided English cues, imported and quality-checked. QA coverage 100% (transcript timecoded). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-08-30 · last reviewed 2026-08-30. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.