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Episode 38 · 2020-10-01 · 33:49 · Original in Finnish

V-curves and Taistoism | Tuomas Malinen | Negotiator 38

Originally published as “V-käyriä ja taistolaisuutta | Tuomas Malinen | Neuvottelija 38”

GNS Economics CEO Tuomas Malinen explains why the firm's latest Q-review contained no positive scenario at all for the first time: the options are collapse, reset and great inflation. A European banking crisis has become the baseline. Malinen unpicks why record-low junk bond yields cannot coexist with record-high large corporate bankruptcies unless a central bank has broken the pricing mechanism, and why debt-financed stimulus in an over-indebted economy creates the conditions for a debt crisis. The second half covers the public clash between the Finnish government and business leaders, corporate social responsibility, and the quality of the debate over the EU recovery fund.

Guest: Tuomas Malinen · Host: Sami Miettinen

Core theses

  1. For the first time GNS Economics could not construct a positive scenario: the three are collapse, reset and great inflation, with a European banking crisis as the baseline rather than the tail.
  2. Record-low junk bond yields alongside record-high large corporate bankruptcies is presented as proof that the Federal Reserve has broken the mechanism that normally prices credit risk — the 1929 parallel being markets carried by liquidity rather than earnings.
  3. Debt-financed stimulus launched at the end of a decade-long expansion, into companies already indebted and a productivity rate flattened by zombification, does not buy growth; it builds the preconditions for a debt crisis.
  4. Corporate social responsibility is defined narrowly: a company's obligation is to stay competitive and productive so it can employ and pay, not to hire because work is needed — with China's post-1978 opening as the case for private profit as the engine of development.
  5. The public debate over the EU recovery fund is criticised on both sides of the ledger: Finland's three billion received is reported without the six billion contributed, and dissent is reframed as a vote on EU membership.

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — The V-curve that did not arrive
  2. 02:31 — Three scenarios with no good option
  3. 05:09 — A banking crisis as the baseline
  4. 07:53 — Where would growth come from?
  5. 10:31 — The prime minister versus the business leaders
  6. 13:11 — Corporate social responsibility and China after 1978
  7. 15:43 — New voices enter the debate
  8. 18:33 — How the support money was handed out
  9. 21:03 — The Finnish banking sector versus Southern Europe
  10. 23:38 — The recovery fund, the citizens' initiative and Vanhanen's answer
  11. 26:14 — Eurobonds, communication and the net contributor's numbers
  12. 28:45 — The regional tour, MMT and the case for an adult debate
  13. 31:15 — Closing: blow the whistle on the borrowing

Summary

GNS Economics CEO Tuomas Malinen explains why the firm’s latest Q-review contained no positive scenario at all for the first time: the options are collapse, reset and great inflation. A European banking crisis has become the baseline. Malinen unpicks why record-low junk bond yields cannot coexist with record-high large corporate bankruptcies unless a central bank has broken the pricing mechanism, and why debt-financed stimulus in an over-indebted economy creates the conditions for a debt crisis. The second half covers the public clash between the Finnish government and business leaders, corporate social responsibility, and the quality of the debate over the EU recovery fund.

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