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Episode 372 · 2026-02-19 · 01:02:57 · Original in Finnish

Cut the most damaging taxes | Sami Pakarinen | Negotiator 372

Originally published as “Vaarallisimmat verot alas | Sami Pakarinen | Neuvottelija 372”

Sami Pakarinen of the Confederation of Finnish Industries argues that the weight of taxation should move away from what he considers the most damaging taxes — inheritance tax and high marginal rates on earned income — toward a structure that supports growth. Sweden is the reference throughout: private wealth, domestic capital and the standing of dynamic effects in public debate. Also covered: thirty years of recommendations to cut the marginal rate in Finland, the Laffer curve and taxable income elasticities, the corporate tax cut to 18 per cent, the Urpilainen-era package, and the 25 per cent withholding tax benefit for returning Finns. The guest represents an employers' organisation, which the episode does not hide.

Guest: Sami Pakarinen · Host: Sami Miettinen

Core theses

  1. The argument is about the composition of the tax take rather than its level: which taxes do the most damage per euro raised.
  2. Inheritance tax is criticised for its lock-in effect on business succession rather than for its yield.
  3. Dynamic effects are treated as settled in Swedish debate and as contested in Finnish debate, and that difference is itself part of the argument.
  4. The guest works for an employers' organisation, so the case is an interested one rather than a neutral survey.

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Key moments

  1. 00:00 — Introduction, with Sami Pakarinen of the Confederation of Finnish Industries
  2. 02:30 — The housing market, home ownership and how taxation is thought about
  3. 06:14 — Inheritance tax, the Swedish model and the problems in Finnish debate
  4. 10:21 — Swedish wealth development against Finland, and why domestic capital matters
  5. 15:29 — How few Finnish owners there are, and the wealthy moving abroad
  6. 19:25 — Business succession and the lock-in effect of gift and inheritance tax
  7. 21:32 — The home market and local financing in a globalising world
  8. 24:55 — Making economic debate more Swedish, and understanding dynamic effects
  9. 28:06 — Thirty years of recommendations to cut the marginal rate in Finland
  10. 31:24 — The Laffer curve, tax elasticities and the dynamics of the income distribution
  11. 35:30 — Educational choices, taxation and incentives over the long run
  12. 38:45 — Excessive dependence on the state, against self-reliance
  13. 41:19 — Data-driven economic debate and new uses for register data
  14. 46:12 — Corporate tax down to 18 per cent, and how large firms respond
  15. 52:39 — The Urpilainen-era corporate tax cut and the capital income tax rise
  16. 55:25 — Owners, critical talent, networks and clock speed
  17. 57:16 — The 25 per cent withholding tax benefit for Finns returning from abroad
  18. 1:00:33 — The debt brake, the consolidation need and the next government's growth task

Summary

Sami Pakarinen of the Confederation of Finnish Industries argues that the weight of taxation should move away from what he considers the most damaging taxes — inheritance tax and high marginal rates on earned income — toward a structure that supports growth. Sweden is the reference throughout: private wealth, domestic capital and the standing of dynamic effects in public debate. Also covered: thirty years of recommendations to cut the marginal rate in Finland, the Laffer curve and taxable income elasticities, the corporate tax cut to 18 per cent, the Urpilainen-era package, and the 25 per cent withholding tax benefit for returning Finns. The guest represents an employers’ organisation, which the episode does not hide.

The claim

“The most damaging taxes” is a claim about composition, not level: for a given amount of revenue, some taxes cost more growth than others. Pakarinen puts inheritance tax and high marginal rates on earned income in that category, and the inheritance argument is about lock-in on business succession rather than about the money the tax raises.

Sweden as the mirror

The comparison runs through the whole episode — private wealth per head, the depth of domestic capital, and the standing that dynamic effects have in Swedish public debate against the contested standing they have in Finland. That last difference is not a detail: much of the disagreement in Finland is about whether the elasticities are real at all.

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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Vaarallisimmat verot alas | Sami Pakarinen | Neuvottelija 372. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.

In depth

The Neuvottelija AI editions carry a long-form write-up of this episode: English · suomeksi.

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People and topics

Guests: Sami Pakarinen

Topics: Ownership, Capital & Tax Finnish Economy & Policy

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Source and content status

Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and the publisher's own chapter marks, translated one for one; their spacing is irregular and matches the recording. No transcript is published here — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The guest represents the Confederation of Finnish Industries and the episode argues one side of a contested tax debate with nobody present to put the other; the long-form write-up in the Neuvottelija AI editions states that.. English subtitles: not available on this page; this is an episode summary, not a curated transcript. QA coverage 0% (metadata only). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-09-20 · last reviewed 2026-09-20. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.