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Episode 161 · 2022-11-17 · 48:34 · Original in Finnish

Crime and Profiteering | Karo Hämäläinen | Negotiator 161

Originally published as “Rikos ja rahastus | Karo Hämäläinen | Neuvottelija 161”

The author and financial journalist Karo Hämäläinen works through the cases in his book Rikos ja rahastus, from the Finnish asphalt cartel to Bernie Madoff. The conversation explains why road paving was such fertile ground for a cartel, and why a cartel eventually surfaces whatever its members intend. Nick Leeson's option positions, Charles Ponzi's postal coupon arbitrage and WinCapita's cult-like inner circle all tell the same story about how the promise of a risk-free return persuades people to part with their money. Libor manipulation, Enron's accounting and the question of whether a public exchange improves the game at all follow. It closes on listings, the return of value investing, the Fortum and Uniper mistakes, and who actually gets to define fair value.

Guest: Karo Hämäläinen · Host: Sami Miettinen

Core theses

  1. The recurring mechanism across every case is the promise of a return without risk; the instruments differ and the promise does not.
  2. Asphalt paving was ideal cartel ground because the buyers are municipalities and the product is hard to differentiate — structure, not character, produced it.
  3. Cartels surface eventually because they require continuous coordination among people whose interests diverge over time.
  4. Fortum and Uniper belong in the same book as the frauds not because anyone acted criminally, but because the valuation questions are the same ones.

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Summary

The author and financial journalist Karo Hämäläinen works through the cases in his book Rikos ja rahastus, from the Finnish asphalt cartel to Bernie Madoff. The conversation explains why road paving was such fertile ground for a cartel, and why a cartel eventually surfaces whatever its members intend. Nick Leeson’s option positions, Charles Ponzi’s postal coupon arbitrage and WinCapita’s cult-like inner circle all tell the same story about how the promise of a risk-free return persuades people to part with their money. Libor manipulation, Enron’s accounting and the question of whether a public exchange improves the game at all follow. It closes on listings, the return of value investing, the Fortum and Uniper mistakes, and who actually gets to define fair value.

One mechanism, many instruments

Ponzi had postal reply coupons, Madoff had a split-strike options story, WinCapita had a closed circle and a currency robot. What they share is the offer of return without risk, and Hämäläinen’s book is organised around that rather than around the financial machinery, which is why the cases illuminate each other.

Why asphalt

The cartel that ran through Finnish road paving was not an accident of personnel. The buyers are municipalities running predictable tenders, the product barely differs between suppliers, and the participants meet repeatedly — a structure that rewards coordination. The lesson is about which markets to watch, not about who to trust.

Fortum, Uniper and fair value

The closing stretch is the one that is not about crime. A large acquisition that went badly wrong raises the same question as every case before it — who decides what something is worth, and on what evidence — which is the thread the episode uses to tie the book together.

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The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: Rikos ja rahastus | Karo Hämäläinen | Neuvottelija 161. A Finnish edition of this episode is published at www.neuvottelija.fi.

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Guests: Karo Hämäläinen

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Provenance: Finnish source: Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata and the neuvottelija.fi episode record. No chapter marks are published here: the publisher's list holds only two marks, at 0:00 and 0:48, and it is a split of the show-note text rather than a chapter list, so republishing it would assert timestamps that do not hold. No transcript is published either — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The episode is built around the guest's own book, published shortly before recording, and is promotional in that sense. The individual cases are described as the book describes them; where a case involves living people, the episode discusses findings that were reached in court, and the Fortum and Uniper passage is a commercial post-mortem rather than an allegation of wrongdoing.. English subtitles: not available on this page; this is an episode summary, not a curated transcript. QA coverage 0% (metadata only). Original episode: neuvottelija.fi. Imported 2026-09-20 · last reviewed 2026-09-20. Passages the source audio left genuinely ambiguous are marked [unclear] rather than guessed.