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title: "AI and me | Petteri Järvinen | Negotiator 210"
titleOriginal: "Tekoäly ja Minä | Petteri Järvinen | Neuvottelija 210"
episodeNumber: "210"
guest: "Petteri Järvinen"
datePublished: 2023-09-08
duration: "51:28"
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# AI and me | Petteri Järvinen | Negotiator 210

English subtitles are not available on this page. This is an episode summary, not a curated transcript.

## Chapters

- [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=0s) Petteri Järvinen on people coping with AI and against it
- [00:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=40s) Audio channels, audiobooks, speech and restorative silence
- [02:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=160s) Does a person's clock speed slow with age
- [04:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=251s) Linear television is rubbish
- [04:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=284s) Vision one: AI finally brings a great interface and a platform for delegation
- [05:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=352s) Voice control has been a disappointment
- [07:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=440s) The Flynn effect is worrying: attention spans and goldfish
- [08:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=523s) Vision two: personal dataism — assistants trained on your own behaviour
- [09:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=580s) ChatGPT's interface is only the beginning, and answers cannot be trusted to be optimal
- [11:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=680s) Shadows in the robot utopia
- [12:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=725s) AI summaries are more reliable than AI hallucinations
- [13:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=798s) Overreach: a parliamentary AI assistant
- [14:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=889s) Subroutines and specialised plugins as a way to reduce hallucination
- [15:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=933s) Programming as a civic skill: useful or not
- [16:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=968s) A history of AI, and Musk's Neuralink
- [17:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1063s) Musk's autonomous cars did not arrive in 2017, and still do not work
- [19:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1142s) Sandstorm, DARPA and California
- [20:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1228s) The trolley problem and AI ethics: Western law against China
- [22:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1368s) TikTok as an influence platform, and Meta studying eye movement
- [24:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1473s) Radical honesty: can a flood of content defend against a cancellation
- [25:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1551s) GDPR and privacy: a Dutch authority's AI pilot disaster
- [29:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1791s) A neural network's decisions are not easy to analyse
- [31:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1878s) AI discriminates, but attempts to fix it can distort reality
- [32:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=1928s) Prejudice or rationality: artificial output coding is not transparent
- [34:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2068s) Nudging can be justified, and ESG steering can go wrong
- [35:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2138s) An index fund changing from a general index to an ESG-weighted one
- [38:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2288s) Why human work is not entirely under threat, and polarisation is the real risk
- [40:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2444s) The mystery of human intelligence: creativity builds on what exists, plus randomness
- [42:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2556s) How AI can program, the uselessness of low-level coding, and singularity dystopias
- [44:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2686s) Keeping attention on an audiobook by doing something alongside it
- [46:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2764s) The claim about unused brain capacity, and using intuition
- [48:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2880s) Combining human and AI: Google Glass did not arrive
- [49:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=2973s) Timo Honkela's negotiation of meaning
- [50:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=3027s) The book Tekoäly ja minä
- [50:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0&t=3055s) Inner Circle 18: Finland's churches in drone photographs

## Summary

Author Petteri Järvinen discusses his book Tekoäly ja minä. It is a consoling book turned into a conversation: people cope, professions die and are born, and the Luddites have always been wrong. Underneath run two questions that do not resolve — how anyone takes responsibility for a neural network's decision when it cannot give its reasons, and what happens when bias is corrected by distorting the data. The practical takeaway is the line between summarising and extrapolating: a model is far more reliable doing the first than the second. Recorded in September 2023, early in the consumer LLM era.

## The practical line

Summarising against extrapolating. A model asked to condense material it has been given is
reliable in a way the same model is not when asked to extend beyond it, and almost every
disappointment in the episode's examples sits on the wrong side of that line.

## The two questions that do not resolve

A neural network is not a knowledge system or a decision tree, so its reasons cannot be
reconstructed — which makes responsibility for its decisions an unsolved problem rather
than a hard one. And correcting demonstrated bias by distorting the training data replaces
one falsehood with another, without the correction being visible to anyone downstream.


## Watch

The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: [Tekoäly ja Minä | Petteri Järvinen | Neuvottelija 210](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0).
A Finnish edition of this episode is published at [www.neuvottelija.fi](https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/317-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen-neuvottelija-210).

## In depth

The Neuvottelija AI editions carry a long-form write-up of this episode:
[English](https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen/) · [suomeksi](https://www.neuvottelija.fi/yhteiskunta/ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen/).

## Explore the ideas in depth

- [Enterprise AI Agents: Economics, Governance and the Shift From Tools to Workers](https://www.neuvottelija.com/guides/enterprise-ai-agents-economics-and-governance/): A guide to enterprise AI agents — the real cost model behind agent work, why owning your own stack is becoming a strategic question, a working governance framework with approval gates and audit trails, the agent risk matrix, the EU AI Act timeline as it stands, and who captures the productivity gains. Grounded in a real multi-agent lab, two 2026 keynotes, and Neuvottelija conversations.
- [Nordic SaaS Valuation & M&A: How AI Reprices Software Companies](https://www.neuvottelija.com/guides/nordic-saas-valuation-and-ma/): How software companies in the Nordics are valued and sold as AI moves inference into the cost of goods sold — where multiples stand in mid-2026, the metrics that get repriced, why vertical SaaS defends its premium, AI due diligence, and the shift from seats to outcomes. Grounded in Translink's SaaS valuation work and Neuvottelija conversations.

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Cite as: Sami Miettinen, Neuvottelija — AI and me | Petteri Järvinen | Negotiator 210, https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen/, 2023-09-08. For quotes include episode 210 and timestamp.