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title: "Poor Finland, rich Sweden | Lasse Corin | Negotiator 173"
titleOriginal: "Suomi köyhä Ruotsi rikas | Lasse Corin | Neuvottelija 173"
episodeNumber: "173"
guest: "Lasse Corin"
datePublished: 2023-02-03
duration: "41:12"
youtube: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk"
originalLanguage: "fi"
topics: ["finnish_economy_policy","investing_markets"]
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provenance: "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and the publisher's own chapter marks, translated one for one; their spacing is irregular and matches the recording. No transcript is published here — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The wealth figures quoted come from the Credit Suisse wealth report as it stood in early 2023 and the comparison has moved since; the long-form write-up in the Neuvottelija AI editions states that."
fiCanonical: "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/257-suomi-koyha-ruotsi-rikas-lasse-corin-neuvottelija-173"
canonical: https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep173-suomi-koyha-ruotsi-rikas-lasse-corin/
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# Poor Finland, rich Sweden | Lasse Corin | Negotiator 173

English subtitles are not available on this page. This is an episode summary, not a curated transcript.

## Chapters

- [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=0s) Intro: Lasse Corin of Aktia
- [01:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=65s) Corin's career before Aktia
- [01:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=100s) The career path of an organisation economist against a micro-macro economist
- [05:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=315s) A Swedish property bubble
- [06:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=412s) Does the euro hurt Finland relative to Sweden and Denmark
- [09:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=579s) Swedes are up to 200,000 dollars per adult wealthier in the statistics
- [11:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=678s) Swedes hold roughly 100,000 dollars per adult in funded pensions
- [12:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=760s) Finns were wealthier than Swedes in Nokia's heyday, then fell behind
- [14:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=890s) Does the current account turning negative explain the relative impoverishment
- [19:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=1154s) Why Finland treats the pension system as part of the state
- [24:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=1454s) Finnish equity investing is counter-cyclical
- [26:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=1605s) The outlook for the banking sector in the euro area
- [36:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=2171s) An aside about Pori
- [37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=2250s) Finns' fear of mortgage debt in 2022
- [39:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=2376s) Wealth is a function of age
- [40:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk&t=2438s) Outro

## Summary

A Swede is on average some 200,000 dollars wealthier than a Finn, and Aktia's chief economist Lasse Corin explains how that gap is built. About half of it comes down to which sector pension assets are recorded in — Swedes show roughly 100,000 dollars per adult of funded pensions that Finns do not — but the remainder is a genuine difference in wealth that only opened up after the Nokia years. The episode covers the turn in the current account, the subsidiary economy, and whether export success ultimately reaches households or foreign owners. Also why Finnish equity investing is counter-cyclical.

## Separating the accounting from the reality

Roughly half of the 200,000 dollar gap is a question of where pension assets are recorded
— Swedes show about 100,000 per adult in funded pensions that Finns, whose system sits
inside the public sector, do not. The other half is real. Getting that separation right is
what makes the rest of the argument usable, and it is what most public comparisons skip.

## When the gap opened

Not long ago. Finns were wealthier than Swedes during the Nokia years, which means this is
a recent divergence rather than a structural feature — and Corin's candidate for the
mechanism is the current account turning negative.


## Watch

The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: [Suomi köyhä Ruotsi rikas | Lasse Corin | Neuvottelija 173](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olng9DQfZuk).
A Finnish edition of this episode is published at [www.neuvottelija.fi](https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/257-suomi-koyha-ruotsi-rikas-lasse-corin-neuvottelija-173).

## In depth

The Neuvottelija AI editions carry a long-form write-up of this episode:
[English](https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep173-suomi-koyha-ruotsi-rikas-lasse-corin/) · [suomeksi](https://www.neuvottelija.fi/economy/ep173-suomi-koyha-ruotsi-rikas-lasse-corin/).

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Cite as: Sami Miettinen, Neuvottelija — Poor Finland, rich Sweden | Lasse Corin | Negotiator 173, https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep173-suomi-koyha-ruotsi-rikas-lasse-corin/, 2023-02-03. For quotes include episode 173 and timestamp.