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title: "The Finns Party rises, Marin blundered | Juhani Huopainen, Onni Rostila | Negotiator 171"
titleOriginal: "Persut nousee Marin mokasi | Juhani Huopainen Onni Rostila | Neuvottelija 171"
episodeNumber: "171"
guest: "Juhani Huopainen, Onni Rostila"
datePublished: 2023-01-24
duration: "01:00:50"
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# The Finns Party rises, Marin blundered | Juhani Huopainen, Onni Rostila | Negotiator 171

English subtitles are not available on this page. This is an episode summary, not a curated transcript.

## Chapters

- [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=0s) Intro: Juhani Huopainen and Onni Rostila on the Finns Party
- [00:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=38s) Introducing the guests
- [01:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=70s) Not playing with the Finns Party: the red-green bubble
- [02:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=177s) The Social Democrats' leap to the left
- [06:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=388s) The bloc election angle
- [07:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=445s) Marin's effect on the Social Democrats
- [10:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=615s) My own people first can be dangerous: is minus four billion enough
- [15:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=906s) Getting the recovery package through
- [18:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=1125s) A strategy of trust capital
- [19:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=1182s) The green side of the red-green bubble, and the restoration regulation
- [23:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=1399s) How the right differs from the economic left
- [25:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=1535s) Does the Finns Party have a green angle
- [28:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=1680s) Taxation of the highest income brackets
- [34:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=2083s) Yle as a target for cuts
- [39:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=2340s) Cuts to development cooperation
- [40:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=2435s) Poor prioritisation of tax revenue
- [41:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=2508s) Immigration and work-based immigration
- [49:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=2940s) The citizenship condition
- [50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=3000s) The green-left model has already hit the wall
- [53:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=3182s) The right to enter work
- [56:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=3365s) Onni Rostila as a parliamentary candidate
- [59:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs&t=3598s) Outro

## Summary

Prime Minister Sanna Marin ruled out governing with the Finns Party just as the polls turned, and this episode unpacks what the guests believe lies behind that line. Juhani Huopainen and Onni Rostila argue that the Social Democrats have drifted far from their labour-party roots, and assess what a bloc contest means for the spring parliamentary election. The discussion runs from the recovery fund's negotiated outcome to the EU restoration regulation and to a total tax rate that has passed Sweden's. One guest is a candidate in the election being discussed.

## The move being analysed

Ruling out a governing partner before an election is a strategic choice that buys
something and costs something, and the episode's contribution is treating it that way
rather than as a statement of values. What it buys is a clear bloc contest; what it costs
is the option itself.

## The economic claim underneath

That Finland's total tax rate has passed Sweden's. Most of the political argument in the
episode rests on it, which is worth noticing: if the comparison moves, so does the case.


## Watch

The recording lives on the Neuvottelija channel: [Persut nousee Marin mokasi | Juhani Huopainen Onni Rostila | Neuvottelija 171](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_LUmuPWjs).
A Finnish edition of this episode is published at [www.neuvottelija.fi](https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/252-persut-nousee-marin-mokasi-juhani-huopainen-onni-rostila-neu).

## In depth

The Neuvottelija AI editions carry a long-form write-up of this episode:
[English](https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep171-persut-nousee-marin-mokasi-huopainen-rostila/) · [suomeksi](https://www.neuvottelija.fi/yhteiskunta/ep171-persut-nousee-marin-mokasi-huopainen-rostila/).

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Cite as: Sami Miettinen, Neuvottelija — The Finns Party rises, Marin blundered | Juhani Huopainen, Onni Rostila | Negotiator 171, https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep171-persut-nousee-marin-mokasi-huopainen-rostila/, 2023-01-24. For quotes include episode 171 and timestamp.