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In Finland there had long been 50, well, dependants -- that is, that is, under-15-year-olds and over-65-year-olds -- relative to a hundred working-age people

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and and the forecast was that it would rise quickly, pretty quickly, to 70, which means plus 40%

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which is a staggering number

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then I I started thinking about it this way, well, that -- since in Finland not everyone starts working at 15, and everyone

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doesn't, well, stop at 65 but stops earlier, or then doesn't go to work at all. So

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what is the real sustainability gap

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I really did it so that I I I moved from that, from that divisor -- that is, that is, from the working-age people -- over to, over to, well, the dependants' side, also then those not working, in a certain sense

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and then also this public sector worker

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of course there's a bad thing in that, that that since we know that the number of babies, of babies, hasn't, hasn't risen, but the number of grandpas and and and grandmas is rising, so the long-term picture is even worse.