{"title": "Nick Land and the USA | Thomas Brand | Neuvottelija 419", "titleOriginal": "Nick Land ja USA | Thomas Brand | Neuvottelija 419", "episodeNumber": "419", "guest": "Thomas Brand", "publishedAt": "2026-11-05", "duration": "1:34:21", "durationIso": "PT1H34M21S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX5-2c1Ongo", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/865-nick-land-ja-usa-thomas-brand-neuvottelija-419/", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["ai_enterprise_tech", "geopolitics", "free_speech_society"], "description": "Recorded the day after the US midterm elections, Bitcoin specialist Thomas Brand and Sami Miettinen work through the thinking of Curtis Yarvin and Nick Land. Brand argues that elections do not change the underlying direction: not the national debt, not the military-industrial complex, and not the distributed consensus machine Yarvin calls the Cathedral. The conversation moves from Bitcoin as money that does not depend on humans to the Dark Enlightenment and the human as a bootloader for an alien intelligence, accelerationism, Roko's basilisk, Bostrom's vulnerable world hypothesis, Samuel Butler's 1863 warning that machines may treat humans as humans treat horses, Hirschman's exit, voice and loyalty, and why AI threatens the funding base of public finances before anything else.", "chapters": [{"t": "00:00", "title": "Preview of the episode's themes", "seconds": 0}, {"t": "01:13", "title": "Thomas Brand in the Neuvottelija studio after the midterms", "seconds": 73}, {"t": "01:53", "title": "Why Bitcoin is the best money", "seconds": 113}, {"t": "03:00", "title": "Satoshi Nakamoto and Bitcoin's 18 years", "seconds": 180}, {"t": "03:42", "title": "Introducing Nick Land and Curtis Yarvin", "seconds": 222}, {"t": "05:06", "title": "Kylmyys ole jumalani and the Helsingin Sanomat review", "seconds": 306}, {"t": "07:41", "title": "Conservative and reactionary as different thinkers", "seconds": 461}, {"t": "09:59", "title": "Terence Tao and mathematicians' AI anxiety", "seconds": 599}, {"t": "11:41", "title": "The midterms and technomonarchy's stumble", "seconds": 701}, {"t": "13:45", "title": "Why elections do not change the direction", "seconds": 825}, {"t": "14:51", "title": "Republicans, MAGA and J. 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