{"title": "AI for All of Finland on a Library Card? | Valto Loikkanen, Petri Kajander | Neuvottelija 418", "titleOriginal": "Kirjastokortilla tekoälyä koko Suomelle? | Valto Loikkanen Petri Kajander | Neuvottelija 418", "episodeNumber": "418", "guest": "Valto Loikkanen, Petri Kajander", "publishedAt": "2026-10-29", "duration": "1:13:51", "durationIso": "PT1H13M51S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gax6puiVoDQ", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/906-kirjastokortilla-tekoalya-koko-suomelle-valto-loikkanen-petr/", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["ai_enterprise_tech", "finnish_economy_policy"], "description": "Valto Loikkanen proposes that every Finn should get access to AI with their library card, with the compute supplied by the under-used LUMI supercomputer in Kajaani. Sami Miettinen and Petri Kajander work through with him why digital sovereignty needs action rather than talk, for individuals, companies and the state alike. The conversation moves from Anthropic's IPO and the security holes AI is exposing to why a coder gets depressed when a machine does his work in a minute and the signalling value of human work disappears. Valto opens up his book Oma tietoekosysteemi (Your own data ecosystem) and argues for keeping your own accumulating knowledge separate from agents and platforms. Finally they consider why a Finnish-language model thinks differently from an English one and what that means for the public sector, regulation and a national language model.", "chapters": [{"t": "00:00", "title": "AI for all of Finland on a library card", "seconds": 0}, {"t": "01:05", "title": "Valto Loikkanen and Petri Kajander introduce themselves", "seconds": 65}, {"t": "02:33", "title": "A study trip to Italy's Leonardo supercomputer", "seconds": 153}, {"t": "03:40", "title": "Anthropic's IPO and a wave of data breaches", "seconds": 220}, {"t": "05:46", "title": "From Temu intelligence to IKEA intelligence", "seconds": 346}, {"t": "06:33", "title": "Can your own local AI compete with frontier models", "seconds": 393}, {"t": "07:15", "title": "Quantum computers and the risk to stored encrypted data", "seconds": 435}, {"t": "08:25", "title": "Home server, firewall and open source", "seconds": 505}, {"t": "10:10", "title": "Bunkered data centres and national compute", "seconds": 610}, {"t": "11:05", "title": "Google's ad revenue becomes a minority for the first time", "seconds": 665}, {"t": "12:03", "title": "Turning digital sovereignty into concrete action", "seconds": 723}, {"t": "13:03", "title": "From open source to open specifications", "seconds": 783}, {"t": "14:15", "title": "SpaceX, Anthropic and the fate of AltaVista", "seconds": 855}, {"t": "17:52", "title": "A citizen's income through shares", "seconds": 1072}, {"t": "19:40", "title": "The welfare state built on taxing human labour crumbles", "seconds": 1180}, {"t": "20:30", "title": "The depressed coder and the disappearing value of work", "seconds": 1230}, {"t": "23:58", "title": "When output is free, signalling value disappears", "seconds": 1438}, {"t": "26:25", "title": "Marx's theory of surplus value in the age of AI", "seconds": 1585}, {"t": "27:26", "title": "The return of generalists and the importance of good taste", "seconds": 1646}, {"t": "30:30", "title": "Valto's book Oma tietoekosysteemi", "seconds": 1830}, {"t": "33:36", "title": "Knowledge does not age, it changes meaning", "seconds": 2016}, {"t": "35:13", "title": "Samantha and owning your agent's knowledge", "seconds": 2113}, {"t": "36:58", "title": "Jack Dorsey: there are no moats any more", "seconds": 2218}, {"t": "37:55", "title": "What is a company when work has no intrinsic value", "seconds": 2275}, {"t": "39:57", "title": "Digital ownership and centralised personal data", "seconds": 2397}, {"t": "42:41", "title": "You need a fiduciary on your side", "seconds": 2561}, {"t": "43:10", "title": "Tech corporations, geopolitics and the Kainuu data centre", "seconds": 2590}, {"t": "46:09", "title": "Practising offline inference on old machines", "seconds": 2769}, {"t": "48:13", "title": "A backyard mini data centre and a data-centre sauna", "seconds": 2893}, {"t": "50:24", "title": "Freenet email and the Nokia 2110", "seconds": 3024}, {"t": "52:20", "title": "The library card: a Finnish inference model on LUMI", "seconds": 3140}, {"t": "54:55", "title": "Why the library", "seconds": 3295}, {"t": "56:46", "title": "Weak Finnish-language weights and the Poro model", "seconds": 3406}, {"t": "1:01:06", "title": "A Finnish-language model is tax-friendly", "seconds": 3666}, {"t": "1:01:57", "title": "Agents already talk to each other", "seconds": 3717}, {"t": "1:03:08", "title": "The public sector through agent interfaces", "seconds": 3788}, {"t": "1:05:22", "title": "Language shapes a model's reasoning", "seconds": 3922}, {"t": "1:07:24", "title": "Complex regulation suits AI", "seconds": 4044}, {"t": "1:10:09", "title": "Surveillance state or distributed democracy", "seconds": 4209}, {"t": "1:10:57", "title": "Anthropic's moat in pharmaceuticals?", "seconds": 4257}, {"t": "1:12:32", "title": "Bundling and unbundling in the model business", "seconds": 4352}, {"t": "1:13:12", "title": "Thanks and the move to the Inner Circle", "seconds": 4392}], "sourceTranscriptType": "macwhisper_sbv", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and the publisher's own description and chapter marks, translated one for one. 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