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  "title": "AI Makes the Mediocre Free | Kari Angeria, Janne Ikola | Neuvottelija 414",
  "titleOriginal": "Tekoäly tekee keskinkertaisesta ilmaista | Kari Angeria Janne Ikola | Neuvottelija 414",
  "episodeNumber": "414",
  "guest": "Kari Angeria, Janne Ikola",
  "publishedAt": "2026-10-13",
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  "description": "Kari Angeria and Janne Ikola have written a book, Vedenjakaja (The Watershed), that asks what happens to knowledge work as AI takes over a growing share of its tasks. Its boldest claim, as framed in the episode, is that AI makes the mediocre free and in doing so reveals how poorly the goals of human work have been defined in companies. The conversation weighs whether this time really is different from earlier technological upheavals and why the inertia of organisations and the public sector slows change. It also covers delegating to agents, AI managers, the limits of intuition and of language models, and whether companies will be needed at all in the future. Finally the guests give young people concrete career advice and name three new roles in knowledge work.",
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      "t": "00:00",
      "title": "Episode highlights",
      "seconds": 0
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    {
      "t": "01:05",
      "title": "Guests introduce themselves, Janne Ikola first",
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    {
      "t": "02:20",
      "title": "Paid partnership: Posticast",
      "seconds": 140
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    {
      "t": "03:27",
      "title": "Back to the episode, Kari Angeria introduces himself",
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      "t": "04:35",
      "title": "The book Vedenjakaja and the redistribution of work",
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    {
      "t": "05:25",
      "title": "The Luddites and earlier technological upheavals",
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    {
      "t": "07:18",
      "title": "Is this time really different?",
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    {
      "t": "07:59",
      "title": "Organisational friction slows change",
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    {
      "t": "09:33",
      "title": "Tasks are replaced, work is a wider whole",
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    {
      "t": "12:16",
      "title": "Programmers' experience predicts other knowledge work",
      "seconds": 736
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    {
      "t": "14:16",
      "title": "Coders become the company's orchestrators",
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    {
      "t": "15:49",
      "title": "Agents' goals expose unclear roles",
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    {
      "t": "17:05",
      "title": "Human work is poorly specified",
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      "t": "18:20",
      "title": "Paradigms and the concept of capital",
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    {
      "t": "20:35",
      "title": "AI makes the mediocre free",
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    {
      "t": "21:38",
      "title": "The public sector and the risk function of official liability",
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    {
      "t": "23:55",
      "title": "Tokenmaxing and the real value of tools",
      "seconds": 1435
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    {
      "t": "25:12",
      "title": "Individual effectiveness before team effectiveness",
      "seconds": 1512
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    {
      "t": "27:33",
      "title": "Hoarding resources and personal licences",
      "seconds": 1653
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      "t": "29:37",
      "title": "AI-native uses not yet found",
      "seconds": 1777
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    {
      "t": "31:14",
      "title": "Agent traffic overtook humans on the web",
      "seconds": 1874
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    {
      "t": "33:40",
      "title": "Robotisation advances as a slow avalanche",
      "seconds": 2020
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    {
      "t": "34:15",
      "title": "Do people want orders from a machine?",
      "seconds": 2055
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    {
      "t": "37:43",
      "title": "The human job is to bring entropy",
      "seconds": 2263
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      "t": "40:02",
      "title": "Tacit knowledge and intuition beyond language models",
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      "t": "42:14",
      "title": "World models and neurosymbolic AI",
      "seconds": 2534
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    {
      "t": "43:31",
      "title": "Kahneman's systems and machine intuition",
      "seconds": 2611
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    {
      "t": "45:45",
      "title": "Facts, opinions and value choices",
      "seconds": 2745
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    {
      "t": "48:45",
      "title": "Will companies be needed in the future?",
      "seconds": 2925
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    {
      "t": "49:26",
      "title": "Coase and the coordination problem",
      "seconds": 2966
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    {
      "t": "50:54",
      "title": "Selling tacit knowledge through agents",
      "seconds": 3054
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    {
      "t": "53:14",
      "title": "The audience decides: why WhatsApp wins",
      "seconds": 3194
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    {
      "t": "54:12",
      "title": "Agents as legal persons and diverging realities",
      "seconds": 3252
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    {
      "t": "57:40",
      "title": "Job tips for the young and the junior problem",
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    {
      "t": "59:10",
      "title": "Three new roles: operator, curator, designer",
      "seconds": 3550
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    {
      "t": "1:00:31",
      "title": "Our own children and responsible talk about the future",
      "seconds": 3631
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    {
      "t": "1:03:02",
      "title": "Robotics and home automation as new work",
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    {
      "t": "1:04:46",
      "title": "Human contact is the scarce resource of the future",
      "seconds": 3886
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    {
      "t": "1:07:12",
      "title": "A culture of borrowing best practices, and your own vision",
      "seconds": 4032
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    {
      "t": "1:08:06",
      "title": "Wrap-up, and next topic: the Sotkamo data centre",
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