{"title": "Phone anxiety | Isak Rautio, Mikko Alasaarela | Negotiator 258", "titleOriginal": "Puhelinahdistus | Isak Rautio Mikko Alasaarela | Neuvottelija 258", "episodeNumber": "258", "guest": "Isak Rautio, Mikko Alasaarela", "publishedAt": "2024-07-01", "duration": "55:34", "durationIso": "PT55M34S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W6cy_L1Mis", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/524-puhelinahdistus-rautio-alasaarela-neuvottelija-258", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["free_speech_society", "ai_enterprise_tech"], "description": "Recorded in Futucast's studio as one half of a twin episode, this is a working reading of Jonathan Haidt's The Anxious Generation with Futucast host Isak Rautio and algorithmic-influence specialist Mikko Alasaarela. The conversation traces social media's three waves — friend, follower, algorithm — explains why 85 per cent of games are now never-ending free-to-play, works through the American constitutional problem with banning TikTok, and ends on Miettinen's contrarian hope that a conversational AI interface could be addictive enough to rescue us from the short-video feed.", "chapters": [{"t": "00:00", "title": "A twin episode, and why Haidt convinced them", "seconds": 0}, {"t": "02:03", "title": "Causation, not just correlation", "seconds": 123}, {"t": "04:03", "title": "Where the mental health curves turn", "seconds": 243}, {"t": "06:05", "title": "Games, and which kinds actually harm", "seconds": 365}, {"t": "08:06", "title": "Antifragility and the curling parent", "seconds": 486}, {"t": "10:07", "title": "What boys saw online before anyone was watching", "seconds": 607}, {"t": "12:07", "title": "Body dysmorphia and internalising disorders in boys", "seconds": 727}, {"t": "14:10", "title": "Algorithmic drift and diverging worldviews", "seconds": 850}, {"t": "16:11", "title": "Silicon Valley, the like button and the first wave", "seconds": 971}, {"t": "18:14", "title": "From buying a game to free-to-play", "seconds": 1094}, {"t": "20:18", "title": "Follower media and the influencer market", "seconds": 1218}, {"t": "22:19", "title": "The algorithmic feed, and fifteen seconds at a time", "seconds": 1339}, {"t": "24:20", "title": "Music, format and why short video trains the model", "seconds": 1460}, {"t": "26:25", "title": "TikTok as an instrument of policy", "seconds": 1585}, {"t": "28:29", "title": "The First Amendment problem", "seconds": 1709}, {"t": "30:30", "title": "Section 230, the DSA and platform liability", "seconds": 1830}, {"t": "32:32", "title": "Algorithms as editorial choice", "seconds": 1952}, {"t": "34:35", "title": "Audience capture, and the creator's addiction", "seconds": 2075}, {"t": "36:36", "title": "Divestiture, and why the algorithm is the company", "seconds": 2196}, {"t": "38:38", "title": "Four hours and forty-eight minutes a day", "seconds": 2318}, {"t": "40:40", "title": "Why a ban does not solve the data problem", "seconds": 2440}, {"t": "42:40", "title": "The death of the link and interest-based internet", "seconds": 2560}, {"t": "44:40", "title": "Miettinen's optimistic case for a conversational AI", "seconds": 2680}, {"t": "46:43", "title": "A cultural interpreter, and what an assistant could be", "seconds": 2803}, {"t": "48:45", "title": "Phones out of the school day", "seconds": 2925}], "sourceTranscriptType": "macwhisper_sbv", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from the MacWhisper SBV transcript, YouTube metadata and the neuvottelija.fi episode record. Chapter timecodes are taken from the transcript; no caption files are published with this page. Recorded in the same session as Futucast #465, which covers the same book from a different angle.", "slug": "ep258-puhelinahdistus-isak-rautio-mikko-alasaarela", "guestsCanonical": ["Isak Rautio", "Mikko Alasaarela"], "guestPages": ["https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/isak-rautio/", "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/mikko-alasaarela/"], "page": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep258-puhelinahdistus-isak-rautio-mikko-alasaarela/", "markdown": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep258-puhelinahdistus-isak-rautio-mikko-alasaarela/index.md", "captions": null, "transcript": null}