{"title": "AI and me | Petteri Järvinen | Negotiator 210", "titleOriginal": "Tekoäly ja Minä | Petteri Järvinen | Neuvottelija 210", "episodeNumber": "210", "guest": "Petteri Järvinen", "publishedAt": "2023-09-08", "duration": "51:28", "durationIso": "PT51M28S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-KZaxVk3u0", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/317-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen-neuvottelija-210", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["ai_enterprise_tech", "free_speech_society"], "description": "Author Petteri Järvinen discusses his book Tekoäly ja minä. It is a consoling book turned into a conversation: people cope, professions die and are born, and the Luddites have always been wrong. Underneath run two questions that do not resolve — how anyone takes responsibility for a neural network's decision when it cannot give its reasons, and what happens when bias is corrected by distorting the data. The practical takeaway is the line between summarising and extrapolating: a model is far more reliable doing the first than the second. 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No transcript is published here — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The episode is a book promotion and was recorded in September 2023, early in the consumer LLM era, so its examples are dated even where its two open questions are not; the long-form write-up in the Neuvottelija AI editions states both.", "coreTheses": ["A model is reliable summarising and unreliable extrapolating, and that line is the most practical thing in the episode.", "A neural network is not a knowledge system or a decision tree, so nobody can reconstruct the reasons for its decision — which is a responsibility problem, not a technical one.", "Correcting bias by distorting the training data trades one falsehood for another, and the correction is not transparent either.", "Recorded in September 2023: the specific tools have moved on, the two open questions have not."], "slug": "ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen", "guestsCanonical": ["Petteri Järvinen"], "guestPages": ["https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/petteri-jarvinen/"], "page": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen/", "markdown": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen/index.md", "captions": null, "transcript": null, "videoId": "6-KZaxVk3u0", "dbId": null, "qaCoveragePct": 0.0, "qaSemanticVerdict": "metadata_only", "aiArticleEn": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen/", "aiArticleFi": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/yhteiskunta/ep210-tekoaly-ja-mina-petteri-jarvinen/"}