{"title": "Futucast and the Podcast Community | William von der Pahlen and Isak Rautio | Negotiator 21", "titleOriginal": "Futucast | William von der Pahlen ja Isak Rautio | Neuvottelija 21", "episodeNumber": "21", "guest": "William von der Pahlen, Isak Rautio", "publishedAt": "2020-05-29", "duration": "22:58", "durationIso": "PT22M58S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HnQZTmPp4c", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/27-futucast-william-von-der-pahlen-ja-isak-rautio-neuvottelija", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["free_speech_society", "ai_enterprise_tech"], "description": "Futucast's hosts William von der Pahlen and Isak Rautio describe how a podcast started as a by-product of content marketing grew into radio, the Slush stage and Finlandia Hall. The episode considers Elon Musk's neural link vision and the world of Iain M. Banks's Culture novels as a precursor to conversation moving onto an interface faster than a keyboard. The discussion compares the Finnish podcast scene with the early years of stand-up comedy and asks why Finland lacks the American culture of cross-channel guest appearances when podcasters have no shared meeting place. It closes on the role of improvisation and intuition in long-form conversation, and why video deserves investment.", "chapters": [{"t": "00:00", "title": "The guests are Futucast's hosts William von der Pahlen and Isak Rautio", "seconds": 0}, {"t": "00:44", "title": "Isak's path from philosophy to business management", "seconds": 44}, {"t": "01:58", "title": "Wille's entrepreneurship after military service", "seconds": 118}, {"t": "02:47", "title": "Futucast, Slush and Green Hippo Cafe", "seconds": 167}, {"t": "03:16", "title": "Five years of stand-up comedy in the background", "seconds": 196}, {"t": "04:01", "title": "Identities: Joe Rogan and Antero Vartia", "seconds": 241}, {"t": "04:39", "title": "Elon Musk and Iain M. Banks's Culture vision", "seconds": 279}, {"t": "05:36", "title": "The podcast as a precursor to joining brain and network", "seconds": 336}, {"t": "06:29", "title": "Is this a credible vision, and on what timeline", "seconds": 389}, {"t": "07:01", "title": "The principle of posting, and privacy", "seconds": 421}, {"t": "07:56", "title": "Words as the upper limit of thought", "seconds": 476}, {"t": "08:50", "title": "The keyboard as too slow an interface", "seconds": 530}, {"t": "09:24", "title": "Does a community form between the guests", "seconds": 564}, {"t": "10:04", "title": "Futucast began without a plan", "seconds": 604}, {"t": "11:08", "title": "Guests are already listening before they are invited", "seconds": 668}, {"t": "12:00", "title": "In the States, cross-channel appearances are everyday", "seconds": 720}, {"t": "13:16", "title": "Why the stand-up scene came together faster", "seconds": 796}, {"t": "14:13", "title": "Podcasters sit in their own basements", "seconds": 853}, {"t": "15:07", "title": "The platform economy, and the rise of independent media", "seconds": 907}, {"t": "16:26", "title": "The cross format, and PewDiePie's example", "seconds": 986}, {"t": "17:09", "title": "The meme that describes a podcast listener", "seconds": 1029}, {"t": "18:08", "title": "Experimenting pays, and over-definition constrains", "seconds": 1088}, {"t": "19:11", "title": "Improvisation and intellectual honesty", "seconds": 1151}, {"t": "20:02", "title": "Kahneman's fast and slow thinking in a podcast", "seconds": 1202}, {"t": "20:10", "title": "YouTube is worth investing in too", "seconds": 1210}, {"t": "21:11", "title": "Where to find Futucast's episodes", "seconds": 1271}, {"t": "21:55", "title": "The most exciting episode was Hannu Lauerma in Turku prison", "seconds": 1315}, {"t": "22:21", "title": "A wish for guests to return, and closing", "seconds": 1341}], "sourceTranscriptType": "none", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and the publisher's own chapter marks, translated one for one. The marks are genuine: twenty-eight of them across a twenty-three-minute recording, with gaps from 8 to 76 seconds, tracking the conversation rather than a grid. No transcript is published here — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The guests run a Finnish podcast that overlaps with and competes with this one, and the episode is two sets of podcasters discussing their own medium; the audience figures and plans are theirs and are those of May 2020. 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