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  "title": "Prigozhin against Putin | Pekka Toveri | Neuvottelija 199",
  "titleOriginal": "Prigozin vs Vladmir Putin | Peka Toveri | Neuvottelija 199",
  "episodeNumber": "199",
  "guest": "Pekka Toveri",
  "publishedAt": "2023-06-29",
  "duration": "36:42",
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  "topics": [
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    "leadership_governance"
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  "description": "Pekka Toveri, MP and former major general and head of Finnish military intelligence, reviews Wagner's midsummer mutiny with Sami Miettinen a week after the events, in the channel's first episode recorded as a NATO member. Toveri rates the operation itself as competently planned: heavy transporters in place, logistics arranged, and the capture of the Southern Military District headquarters in Rostov securing the rear so that troops could not easily be moved from the Ukrainian front towards Moscow — until, in his phrase, Prigozhin lost his nerve halfway. The losses were real rather than staged: around twenty aircrew and, more significantly, two Mi-8 electronic warfare variants and Il-20 command post aircraft, capabilities Russia holds in single-figure or low-double-figure numbers. The episode's strongest structural passage explains why Prigozhin could attack the defence ministry publicly in the first place: in the good tsar, bad boyars model, playing cliques against each other prevents a rival power centre forming, and Prigozhin served as a lightning rod whose accusations never reached Putin. Four things the mutiny exposed run through the second half — the rear is empty because the operational ground forces are in Ukraine, officials and generals conspicuously did not rush to declare loyalty, information does not move between Russian service branches or ministries, and a leader surrounded by yes-men does not receive accurate information. Toveri dismisses the staged-coup theory on two grounds: Putin lost face and gained nothing, and with tens of thousands of FSB operatives there are far cheaper ways to expose traitors. The closing section is a detailed assessment of the counteroffensive, including a Russian defensive position 20 to 30 kilometres deep between Zaporizhzhia and Mariupol whose first line had not yet been breached.",
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    {
      "t": "00:00",
      "title": "Pekka Toveri, member of parliament",
      "seconds": 0
    },
    {
      "t": "00:58",
      "title": "Yevgeny Prigozhin berates Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov during the capture of Bakhmut",
      "seconds": 58
    },
    {
      "t": "01:30",
      "title": "Why did Vladimir Putin allow Prigozhin his exemptions? Wagner's and Prigozhin's popularity among Russians",
      "seconds": 90
    },
    {
      "t": "03:03",
      "title": "Did the midsummer mutiny start from folding Wagner into the Russian army?",
      "seconds": 183
    },
    {
      "t": "03:50",
      "title": "Wagner advances from Rostov to Voronezh and to the gates of Moscow",
      "seconds": 230
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      "t": "05:11",
      "title": "How much Russian blood was spilled during the mutiny?",
      "seconds": 311
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    {
      "t": "06:30",
      "title": "Putin's speech and Alexander Lukashenko's deal",
      "seconds": 390
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      "t": "08:04",
      "title": "Did Prigozhin agree one set of terms for himself and another for his men? Can Putin be trusted?",
      "seconds": 484
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      "t": "10:45",
      "title": "Will Putin allow Wagner to re-form in Belarus? Prigozhin's political ambitions",
      "seconds": 645
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    {
      "t": "12:45",
      "title": "Is Russia a land of warlords when central authority is weak?",
      "seconds": 765
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    {
      "t": "15:40",
      "title": "Was the public on Prigozhin's side in Rostov?",
      "seconds": 940
    },
    {
      "t": "17:00",
      "title": "Erdogan's purge in Turkey in 2016 — is there anything to the Russian psyops theory?",
      "seconds": 1020
    },
    {
      "t": "19:10",
      "title": "Putin's isolation",
      "seconds": 1150
    },
    {
      "t": "20:45",
      "title": "How did Ukraine benefit from the chaos? Will Wagner return to Ukraine at all?",
      "seconds": 1245
    },
    {
      "t": "22:20",
      "title": "The 7 per cent Ukraine has liberated is still less than the 11 per cent Russia took after 2022",
      "seconds": 1340
    },
    {
      "t": "24:40",
      "title": "Storm Shadow, the results of Ukraine's counteroffensive and Russia's fortifications",
      "seconds": 1480
    },
    {
      "t": "29:30",
      "title": "Ukraine's brigades equipped with Western materiel",
      "seconds": 1770
    },
    {
      "t": "33:40",
      "title": "Pekka Toveri as an MP, and the Platinum section for subscribers",
      "seconds": 2020
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