{ "title": "Economics Instead of Number Magic | Martin Paasi, Elina Valtonen | Neuvottelija 183", "titleOriginal": "Talous numeromagian tilalle | Martin Paasi Elina Valtonen | Neuvottelija 183", "episodeNumber": "183", "guest": "Martin Paasi, Elina Valtonen", "publishedAt": "2023-03-22", "duration": "45:00", "durationIso": "PT45M", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1x1s2JPpCA", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/271-talous-numeromagian-tilalle-martin-paasi-elina-valtonen-neuv", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": [ "finnish_economy_policy", "ownership_capital_tax", "leadership_governance" ], "description": "Two National Coalition candidates ten days before Finland's April 2023 election: Nordnet economist Martin Paasi and MP Elina Valtonen. The most usable part is not the campaign pitch but the unpicking of a concept. A televised debate had described increasing health spending by three billion rather than four as a cut, and Paasi separates the terms: making something more efficient means doing it more intelligently, not making people work harder — illustrated by a health centre that cleared three-month queues by putting six nurses around one doctor on the phones. Valtonen declines the simple tax comparison too, noting that an aggregate rate conceals how the tax is raised. Paasi proposes that Finland telephone the hundred most growth-hungry companies in the world and ask directly what an investment here would require, then agree it in writing. Both criticise promising ageing Hornets to Ukraine rather than scaling up defence capacity, and the episode closes on work-based immigration, the cost of the pension system, and Paasi's first-hand account of unemployment.", "chapters": [ { "t": "00:00", "title": "Intro: Finns are smart entrepreneurs and employees whose ideas beat the government's; if pouring money into care solved problems, the US would be the left's dream", "seconds": 0 }, { "t": "00:45", "title": "Sami invites back former guests: Elina Valtonen, Helsinki no. 152, and Martin Paasi, Uusimaa no. 70", "seconds": 45 }, { "t": "01:50", "title": "The government's number magic 1: raising the tax rate from 41.8% to 43.2%, and aspiring to overtake Denmark as the world's heaviest taxer. Fifteen years of poor growth and a mountain of debt", "seconds": 110 }, { "t": "03:15", "title": "What does efficiency mean in the private and public sectors?", "seconds": 195 }, { "t": "10:15", "title": "Growth investment into Finland by listening to what companies need — a whatever-it-takes attitude", "seconds": 615 }, { "t": "13:37", "title": "Strengthening Finnish defence industry instead of ill-considered promises of Hornets", "seconds": 817 }, { "t": "16:45", "title": "What NATO means from here", "seconds": 1005 }, { "t": "19:15", "title": "Ministers' competence and incompetence, and the use of experts in EU, NATO and Fortum-Uniper level negotiations", "seconds": 1155 }, { "t": "21:35", "title": "Did Finland lose billions by refusing to consider the western European rail gauge?", "seconds": 1295 }, { "t": "23:30", "title": "Economic expertise is missing from the left. Sami even misses Esko Seppänen. Economists to parliament", "seconds": 1410 }, { "t": "25:00", "title": "Finns are programmed to think through the collective and the state; individual potential is forgotten", "seconds": 1500 }, { "t": "26:10", "title": "Finns are a small nation — Norway will soon pass us", "seconds": 1570 }, { "t": "29:30", "title": "The government has had no demographic view of the economy", "seconds": 1770 }, { "t": "31:10", "title": "Work-based immigration into the hands of competent and reliable companies", "seconds": 1870 }, { "t": "33:05", "title": "Even Ukrainians are not allowed to work in rule-bound Finland, and will not move here from Estonia. Abolish labour market testing; replace it with ex post supervision or certification", "seconds": 1985 }, { "t": "35:40", "title": "Estonia's flat tax, the side cost of Finland's pension system, and moving at least the self-employed scheme to funding", "seconds": 2140 }, { "t": "37:48", "title": "Valtonen: the election is upon us and we are still arguing irresponsibly about immigrants' minimum pay. Self-reliance must be rewarded", "seconds": 2268 }, { "t": "40:55", "title": "Paasi: success must be permitted, and public administration must stop throwing spanners in the works", "seconds": 2455 }, { "t": "43:45", "title": "Sami recommends both Martin Paasi and Elina Valtonen from his own experience", "seconds": 2625 }, { "t": "44:05", "title": "Sami learns that a candidate's residence and constituency may differ, when Martin says he will vote for Elina. Next time, the banking crisis", "seconds": 2645 } ], "sourceTranscriptType": "macwhisper_srt", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and a MacWhisper transcription of the Finnish audio. The chapter marks are the publisher's own list as released with the video, each verified to fall within ten seconds of a real transcript cue. No English caption track was produced, so no transcript is published here. This is an election episode in which two candidates from the same party speak in their own names, and the summary attributes views by speaker.", "slug": "ep183-talous-numeromagian-tilalle-paasi-valtonen", "guestsCanonical": [ "Martin Paasi", "Elina Valtonen" ], "guestPages": [ "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/martin-paasi/", "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/elina-valtonen/" ], "page": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep183-talous-numeromagian-tilalle-paasi-valtonen/", "markdown": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep183-talous-numeromagian-tilalle-paasi-valtonen/index.md", "captions": null, "transcript": null, "videoId": "x1x1s2JPpCA", "dbId": null, "qaCoveragePct": 0.0, "qaSemanticVerdict": "transcript_timecoded" }