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  "title": "Values Adrift, the Rule of Law at Risk | Heikki Pursiainen, Kai Lintunen | Neuvottelija 178",
  "titleOriginal": "Arvot hukassa oikeusvaltio vaarassa | Heikki Pursiainen Kai Lintunen | Neuvottelija 178",
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  "guest": "Heikki Pursiainen, Kai Lintunen",
  "publishedAt": "2023-03-02",
  "duration": "47:43",
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  "description": "Two National Coalition Party candidates a month before Finland's April 2023 parliamentary election: economist Heikki Pursiainen, standing in Helsinki, and lawyer-economist Kai Lintunen, standing in Uusimaa. The weightiest stretch is a long exchange on constitutional review. Lintunen, who studied constitutional law, calls the Constitutional Law Committee's practice perfect political theatre; Pursiainen's objection is sharper, that the committee's work is abstract and speaks in the conditional, where what is missing is concrete review after the fact through which an individual could actually invoke a fundamental right. On state ownership Lintunen defends strategic holdings on grounds of geography while Pursiainen argues the state is simply a poorly diversified owner — then argues against himself, noting the one reason for caution is that politicians would squander the proceeds. The two also split over the universal applicability of collective agreements, and Pursiainen flatly contradicts the interviewer on whether fascism and national socialism belong to the right. His taxonomy of the right into liberals, conservatives and authoritarians, and his remark that the right deceives itself about being the party of liberty, is unusual candour for a campaign.",
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      "t": "00:00",
      "title": "Intro: politics has lost its values",
      "seconds": 0
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    {
      "t": "00:31",
      "title": "Introductions: Pursiainen, Coalition Helsinki no. 145; Lintunen, Coalition Uusimaa no. 67",
      "seconds": 31
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    {
      "t": "01:40",
      "title": "Everyone is attacking — does the Coalition have to blunder to lose?",
      "seconds": 100
    },
    {
      "t": "02:40",
      "title": "A bloc election",
      "seconds": 160
    },
    {
      "t": "04:00",
      "title": "Espoo versus Helsinki, and the Kauniainen doughnut effect",
      "seconds": 240
    },
    {
      "t": "08:30",
      "title": "County elections; Espoo is Finland's most Coalition-voting city",
      "seconds": 510
    },
    {
      "t": "10:40",
      "title": "Pursiainen's book Paska Suomi — is Finland less broken than it was?",
      "seconds": 640
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    {
      "t": "16:20",
      "title": "Public services versus leaving money in citizens' pockets",
      "seconds": 980
    },
    {
      "t": "17:27",
      "title": "Left-right, national conservative, green liberal — where do you sit?",
      "seconds": 1047
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      "t": "19:05",
      "title": "A four-quadrant model: transfers on one axis, values on the other",
      "seconds": 1145
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      "t": "21:02",
      "title": "Demonising the other side through illiberalism and totalitarianism",
      "seconds": 1262
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    {
      "t": "23:10",
      "title": "National socialism versus fascism",
      "seconds": 1390
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    {
      "t": "24:36",
      "title": "Should the state own companies? Uniper, security of supply, infrastructure",
      "seconds": 1476
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    {
      "t": "28:10",
      "title": "Why Norway and Finnish pension funds invest abroad",
      "seconds": 1690
    },
    {
      "t": "30:36",
      "title": "Which committees would suit your training?",
      "seconds": 1836
    },
    {
      "t": "32:33",
      "title": "Constitutional review: the committee, a constitutional court, and universal applicability",
      "seconds": 1953
    },
    {
      "t": "43:23",
      "title": "External security: Ukraine, Russia and the road to NATO",
      "seconds": 2603
    },
    {
      "t": "45:35",
      "title": "Why vote for Kai Lintunen",
      "seconds": 2735
    },
    {
      "t": "46:02",
      "title": "Why vote for Heikki Pursiainen",
      "seconds": 2762
    },
    {
      "t": "47:20",
      "title": "Outro",
      "seconds": 2840
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