{"title": "Trust | Martin-Mikael Lilius | Negotiator 160", "titleOriginal": "Luottamus | Mikael Lilius | Neuvottelija 160", "episodeNumber": "160", "guest": "Martin-Mikael Lilius", "publishedAt": "2022-11-12", "duration": "34:32", "durationIso": "PT34M32S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYLIEJRtRFM", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/228-luottamus-mikael-lilius-neuvottelija-160", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["leadership_governance", "negotiation"], "description": "Martin-Mikael Lilius has written a book about trust, knowledge and society, and shares a name with Fortum's former chief executive — a coincidence that has earned him both a good seat at a Draghi lecture and hate mail. The episode takes apart the three components of trust — ability, benevolence and integrity — and sets them against the trust-account idea from the host's own negotiation book. The discussion widens from childhood experience to the siloing of science, to polarisation in the United States, and to the genuinely awkward question of why China and Saudi Arabia outscore Finland in some trust surveys. It ends on banking as trust's limiting case, from Lehman Brothers to Basel and its unintended consequences.", "chapters": [], "sourceTranscriptType": "none", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata and the neuvottelija.fi episode record. No chapter marks are published here: the publisher's list holds only two marks, at 0:00 and 0:30, and the second one's own text quotes a timestamp of 34:32 — it is a split of the show-note text rather than a chapter list, so republishing it would assert timestamps that do not hold. No transcript is published either — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. Two disclosures: the guest is Martin-Mikael Lilius and is NOT Mikael Lilius, the former chief executive of Fortum, although the channel's own title for the episode uses the shorter form; and part of the conversation compares the guest's framework with Uusi neuvotteluvalta, a book by the host of this programme.", "coreTheses": ["Trust decomposes into ability, benevolence and integrity, and most breakdowns turn out to be a failure of one component being treated as a failure of all three.", "Trust survey rankings measure what respondents are willing to say, which is why authoritarian states can outscore Finland without anyone being wrong.", "Banking is the limiting case: a bank is solvent exactly as long as it is trusted, which makes the regulatory response to 2008 a response to a belief problem.", "The trust-account metaphor from negotiation and the three-component model describe the same thing at different resolutions."], "slug": "ep160-luottamus-mikael-lilius", "guestsCanonical": ["Martin-Mikael Lilius"], "guestPages": ["https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/martin-mikael-lilius/"], "page": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep160-luottamus-mikael-lilius/", "markdown": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep160-luottamus-mikael-lilius/index.md", "captions": null, "transcript": null, "videoId": "SYLIEJRtRFM", "dbId": null, "qaCoveragePct": 0.0, "qaSemanticVerdict": "metadata_only", "aiArticleEn": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep160-luottamus-mikael-lilius/", "aiArticleFi": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/yhteiskunta/ep160-luottamus-mikael-lilius/"}