{"title": "Amber Heard versus Johnny Depp | Sinnu Savola | Negotiator 135", "titleOriginal": "Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp | Sinnu Savola | Neuvottelija 135", "episodeNumber": "135", "guest": "Sinnu Savola", "publishedAt": "2022-04-30", "duration": "43:16", "durationIso": "PT43M16S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlZqzXkcYU", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/181-amber-heard-vs-johnny-depp-sinnu-savola-neuvottelija-135", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["free_speech_society"], "description": "The psychologist and podcaster Sinnu Savola goes through the televised defamation trial in Virginia in which Johnny Depp sued Amber Heard over a Washington Post piece. The conversation works out why a side thread became the most interesting part of the case, and why social media had sided almost unanimously with Depp before Heard had testified at all. Savola opens up the forensic psychologist's testimony and the difference between the surface level of a personality test and its clinical depth level. It closes on whether the trial is turning into a counter-movement to MeToo.", "chapters": [], "sourceTranscriptType": "none", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata and the neuvottelija.fi episode record. The publisher published no chapter marks for this episode, so none are listed here. No transcript is published either — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. This episode was recorded on 30 April 2022, while the trial was still running and about a week before Amber Heard began her testimony; the jury's verdict came a month later, and nothing said here anticipates it. The discussion is a psychologist's commentary on evidence given in open court about living private individuals, not a finding about either party.", "coreTheses": ["The public verdict was reached before one side had given evidence, which makes the case a study in how a televised trial is consumed rather than in what it established.", "A personality inventory's surface score and its clinical reading answer different questions, and expert testimony that blurs them is persuasive for the wrong reason.", "Televising a defamation trial changes the incentives of everyone in the room, including the experts.", "Whether this becomes a counter-movement to MeToo is a question about audiences, not about the parties."], "slug": "ep135-amber-heard-vs-johnny-depp-sinnu-savola", "guestsCanonical": ["Sinnu Savola"], "guestPages": ["https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/sinnu-savola/"], "page": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep135-amber-heard-vs-johnny-depp-sinnu-savola/", "markdown": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep135-amber-heard-vs-johnny-depp-sinnu-savola/index.md", "captions": null, "transcript": null, "videoId": "xRlZqzXkcYU", "dbId": null, "qaCoveragePct": 0.0, "qaSemanticVerdict": "metadata_only", "aiArticleEn": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep135-amber-heard-vs-johnny-depp-sinnu-savola/", "aiArticleFi": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/yhteiskunta/ep135-amber-heard-vs-johnny-depp-sinnu-savola/"}