{"title": "Hungary's Election and NATO Diplomacy | Pertti Torstila | Negotiator 130", "titleOriginal": "Unkarin vaalit NATO-diplomatia | Pertti Torstila | Neuvottelija 130", "episodeNumber": "130", "guest": "Pertti Torstila", "publishedAt": "2022-04-07", "duration": "43:47", "durationIso": "PT43M47S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nsbv1OHshk", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/172-unkarin-vaalit-nato-diplomatia-pertti-torstila-neuvottelija", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["geopolitics", "leadership_governance"], "description": "Pertti Torstila, former state secretary at the Finnish Ministry for Foreign Affairs and a career diplomat, has known Hungary for close to five decades and still grows wine there. He takes apart Viktor Orbán's election victory: why the war in Ukraine became Orbán's trump card rather than his liability, and why people voted with their wallets. Torstila also explains the trauma of Trianon and what voting rights for Hungarians beyond the borders actually do. The episode covers his own part in Martti Ahtisaari's team in the Kosovo peace process, and an assessment of whether Sweden will apply at all once Finland has.", "chapters": [], "sourceTranscriptType": "none", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata and the neuvottelija.fi episode record. The publisher published no chapter marks for this episode, so none are listed here. No transcript is published either — the channel has no English caption track for this episode and the Finnish one is YouTube's automatic track. The episode was recorded on 7 April 2022, four days after the Hungarian election and before Finland applied for NATO membership; the question of whether Sweden would follow is open in it and has since been settled. The guest has long personal ties to Hungary, including a vineyard there, and the episode says so.", "coreTheses": ["The war strengthened Orbán rather than weakening him, because an electorate that feels exposed rewards whoever promises to keep it out.", "Trianon is not a historical footnote in Hungarian politics but an active organising grievance, and the external voting rights are built on it.", "A diplomat's reading of an election is about what the state will now do, which is a different question from who deserved to win.", "The Kosovo process is offered as the working example of how a mediated settlement is actually assembled, by someone who was inside it."], "slug": "ep130-unkarin-vaalit-nato-diplomatia-pertti-torstila", "guestsCanonical": ["Pertti Torstila"], "guestPages": ["https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/pertti-torstila/"], "page": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep130-unkarin-vaalit-nato-diplomatia-pertti-torstila/", "markdown": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep130-unkarin-vaalit-nato-diplomatia-pertti-torstila/index.md", "captions": null, "transcript": null, "videoId": "1nsbv1OHshk", "dbId": null, "qaCoveragePct": 0.0, "qaSemanticVerdict": "metadata_only", "aiArticleEn": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep130-unkarin-vaalit-nato-diplomatia-pertti-torstila/", "aiArticleFi": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/yhteiskunta/ep130-unkarin-vaalit-nato-diplomatia-pertti-torstila/"}