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A broken election compass, a school tool nobody was meant to see, and the choice of base year | Weekly Wiseguys, 21 February 2023

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Sami Miettinen and Tere Sammallahti on Ivan Puopolo's Weekly Wiseguys, 21 February 2023, six weeks before the Finnish parliamentary election. Three stories, all of them about the same question: who decides which numbers a citizen gets to see. Helsingin Sanomat's election compass gave one question double weight, the paper conceded the error — and, the panel argues, the arithmetic still fails to reconcile after the fix. A public-broadcaster tool comparing schools was demanded taken down, and Yle kept it up. A claim that taxation has quietly fallen is taken apart on the choice of base year. The episode is tongue-in-cheek, sharp-edged and sometimes overshoots — those passages are marked too.

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A broken election compass, a school tool nobody was meant to see, and the choice of base year | Weekly Wiseguys, 21 February 2023

Summary: Sami Miettinen and Tere Sammallahti on Ivan Puopolo’s Weekly Wiseguys, 21 February 2023, six weeks before the Finnish parliamentary election. Three stories, all of them about the same question: who decides which numbers a citizen gets to see. Helsingin Sanomat’s election compass gave one question double weight, the paper conceded the error — and, the panel argues, the arithmetic still fails to reconcile after the fix. A public-broadcaster tool comparing schools was demanded taken down, and Yle kept it up. A claim that taxation has quietly fallen is taken apart on the choice of base year. The episode is tongue-in-cheek, sharp-edged and sometimes overshoots — those passages are marked too.

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A note on reading this. Weekly Wiseguys is a tongue-in-cheek political panel, not a news broadcast. The speakers are right-of-centre commentators and politicians talking in their own names, sharpening for effect and joking as they go. This article sorts their arguments and marks who said what; it takes no position on who is right, and it does not reproduce the personal jabs. Speakers are named only where the recording itself identifies who is talking: the transcript carries no speaker labels, so uncertain passages are attributed to the panel or to “one of the guests” rather than to a name. The opinions are the speakers’ own.

The panel

Ivan Puopolo hosts; the guests are Tere Sammallahti and Sami Miettinen — the same line-up as the first episode in the series. It is recorded on 21 February 2023, six weeks before the Finnish parliamentary election, and it opens with an announcement: the programme is putting itself under an election quarantine from 1 March to 2 April, during which a right-wing guest will always be paired with a left-wing one. Nobody imposed it; the panel imposed it on itself, and it is worth reading as the frame for the episode. The panel knows it is one-sided and says it will correct for that before polling day.

Three stories, one question: who decides which numbers a voter gets to see.

1. The election compass that counted one question twice

This is the strongest section of the episode, because the claim is checkable and it turns out to be at least partly right.

Helsingin Sanomat’s election compass places the respondent on a four-quadrant grid whose vertical axis runs from conservative to green-liberal. One of the panellists says he filled it in as soon as it was published and landed on the conservative side — because, he says, he declined to give an affirmative answer to a single question about gender diversity.

A National Coalition candidate in Tampere then noticed the same thing and said so publicly. Helsingin Sanomat conceded the error: that question had entered the calculation with double weight.

The panel’s argument does not stop at the concession. It is a structural claim about the fix:

A second checkable observation: a candidate in Pirkanmaa said he had entered exactly his own candidate answers and got a 97 per cent match with himself rather than 100. The same phenomenon from the other direction: MP Päivi Räsänen wrote on Twitter — and the panel reads the tweet aloud —

“I couldn’t get myself even into my own top twenty, and nobody close to me who tried the compass got me onto their list either.”

A candidate who fails to match themselves is an unusually clean error signal in an election compass: it is the one case where the correct answer is known in advance.

Where the panel draws the line

It is worth marking what the panel does not claim. A suspicion surfaces in passing that the compass might have been deliberately calibrated so that nobody lands in the conservative corner — and the panel rejects it itself:

“Until some other evidence turns up, I believe it’s just bad code and that’s that.”

Two of them do hold on to the view that the direction of the error is not a neutral matter even when the error itself is identical for every respondent. That is an opinion, not an observation, and should be read as one.

The demands

The panel’s three concrete demands are of very different sizes, but all clearly put:

  1. Publish the compass’s code and data. The reasoning is a light verifiability argument: civil society could walk through the calculation quickly and the question would be settled.
  2. Take the compass down while the error is fixed. The reasoning is timing — a compass steers votes while it is live, and a later correction reaches nobody.
  3. Report the correction as prominently as the compass itself. The observation is that the correction went out as a small note.

The axis the panel says is the wrong one

The idea at the centre of the episode — and the part of it that lasts longest — concerns the vertical axis. Conservative versus green-liberal is the wrong opposition, the panel argues, for two reasons: green-liberal is not the same thing as liberal, and the opposite of conservative is progressive, not liberal. The right axis would be liberal versus authoritarian:

“You give individuals a great deal of freedom… but at the same time you can take away their freedom of speech, you can take their property and you can raise the tax rate. For some reason none of that counts to them as an indication of illiberal behaviour.”

The supporting observation is what the compass left out: no questions on liberalising drug policy, on legalising sex work, on plural marriage — classic liberal/conservative discriminators — leaving a single question about gender diversity to carry the axis almost alone. The absence of those questions is checkable; the interpretation of what the absence means is not.

The panel also makes an honest concession that is easy to miss: there is no such thing as a perfect compass question. Every question is incomplete from some direction, and the respondent ends up playing tactics. From that they draw advice that is not polemical at all: read the candidates’ written answers, not just the percentage.

2. The school tool they were told to take down

The public broadcaster published a tool for comparing comprehensive schools using variables assembled from open official data: leaving-certificate averages, the share of pupils studying Finnish as a second language, and the educational and socio-economic background of the area. Publication was followed by a demand to withdraw it — according to the panel the demand came from politicians on both the left and the centre, and the National Agency for Education took a public position against the tool.

The panel’s main claim is a matter of principle and is made without personalising it:

“If a news organisation says: we have this relevant, accurate information, but we are not publishing it because we are protecting something — then it is an unbelievably poor news organisation. And the same goes for researchers.”

And the observation about attitude that follows from it: the first reaction is to forbid. The normal course of public debate is that somebody says something, somebody else answers, and the audience follows the arguments. Demanding that the data be removed skips that entire stage.

What actually follows from the data

Here the panel is more careful than the headline suggests, and the disagreement between them is genuine.

One guest points out that the correlation between the share of second-language pupils and the class average is structurally unavoidable: a child who does not speak the language of instruction on arrival cannot be expected to reach the same leaving grades as a native speaker. The correlation is therefore not a finding and carries no value judgement — it is the starting position.

The other replies that this is exactly why more variables should be added rather than staring at two numbers: “you can’t frame it as second-language pupils and averages, that’s it.” He also says he looked at the data and did not see an unambiguous automatic correlation.

The most interesting part is what they would want to ask of the data — and this is the episode’s clearest illustration that demanding the removal of a dataset also closes off the useful questions:

That third point connects to the panel’s most concrete policy proposal: abolish the home-care allowance. The argument has two parts — it would raise the employment rate of women of immigrant background, which is internationally low in Finland, and it would move children into day care earlier, where they learn Finnish. The panel says the same idea appeared in savings calculations by the think tank Libera. The claim is made without a citation, but it is an empirical claim rather than an opinion, and it is one of the few places in the episode where a solution is offered rather than a fault identified.

The panel also makes a broader observation that has nothing to do with immigration: if both parents are unemployed throughout a child’s upbringing, the same social problems accumulate for that child regardless of background. The mechanism is identical for native Finns. They say this out loud, and it is worth marking, because it separates the argument from an ethnic explanation.

They also call for Danish-style labour-market reform: weaker dismissal protection, an end to the universal applicability of collective agreements, a shorter earnings-related unemployment benefit. That is a straightforward political position, not an observation.

Where the episode overshoots

One guest tells a taxi-driver anecdote: the driver had twice told him that a Finnish wife would not do, because Finnish women do not cook. From this he draws the conclusion that law does not change attitude and that cultural background affects women’s employment.

The same guest concedes the limitation himself — “probably no reason to generalise” — and that is worth repeating here: one recurring conversation with one driver is not a dataset. The claim that culture raises the threshold to employment may be true or false; this anecdote settles it in neither direction. The episode has just spent twenty minutes demanding open data and comparable numbers — and here it leans on what one person said in a taxi.

Credit given to the other side

The most surprising moment in the episode: Yle, the programme’s standing target, gets credit. It did not remove the data and did not alter it under pressure. The panel says so directly and jokes about how it feels to praise them.

With it comes a worry expressed in general terms and without accusing anyone: pressure does not take down this tool, it takes down the next one. An individual reporter may not withstand the storm, and at the next comparable case the newsroom will remember the last one. The panel calls that creeping self-censorship, and it is the core worry of the episode.

3. Taxation and the choice of base year

The third section starts from an opinion column arguing that taxation in Finland has “quietly” become lighter and that the tax instrument should therefore be used.

Sami Miettinen — he is named aloud during this section as the speaker — answers with figures: realised tax revenue in 2021 relative to nominal GDP was about 43 per cent, which he says was the fifth highest in the world, past Sweden. He distinguishes this from forecast tax ratios, from which he says the “lightening” claim is derived: a forecast that may fall because of inflation is not the same thing as a realised figure.

The methodological core of the argument is the choice of base year, and it is the single best observation in the episode:

If you pick the peak-taxation year as your baseline, everything after it looks like lightening. If instead you take public spending at its 2007 level — the panel’s recollection is 45–47 per cent of GDP against “57 or somewhere thereabouts” now — the question flips: how much wealth would citizens hold if spending had stayed there?

The panel’s own answer is €25 billion a year. The figure is offered live without a calculation behind it, and the percentages are from memory — read them as an order of magnitude, not as statistics. The methodological point holds regardless of the numbers: the choice of base year decides the conclusion, and that cuts both ways, including against the panel.

A second checkable observation, made in passing: Finns received roughly €6 billion in dividends in a year against roughly €150 billion in earned income. If half of an €11 billion public-finance gap were to be covered from capital income, that would in practice mean taxing every dividend in full. The figures are from memory, but the order-of-magnitude argument is clear, and it becomes the panel’s wish for the election debates: ask the candidate where the eleven billion comes from.

Two places where the numbers do not survive a check

In fairness, two claims in the episode should be marked as unreliable:

Rhetoric that should be read as rhetoric

The section closes with a claim the panel itself marks as a guess: that left-wing politicians are on average less wealthy than right-wing ones and therefore lose their sense of scale once they get access to public money.

“I have no statistics to throw at this, but I have a strong gut feeling…”

That is how it has to be left: a feeling, not an observation. The same goes for the panel’s prediction of what one particular party would do about censorship if it were in charge. That is a claim about other people’s intentions and cannot be verified, and it should be kept separate from the episode’s checkable claims.

One point in the same stretch is genuine and checkable, though: the exceptions that suspended budget discipline are coming back. The EU deficit rules were paused because of the crises, and the panel’s observation is that they land on the next government’s desk whoever forms it. So too the claim the panel treats as the most important thing said about the economy all spring: the pandemic and the war explain part of the public deficit, but not its scale — the roughly €12 billion hole in the finance ministry’s winter forecast.

How it ends

The episode closes on news that broke during recording: the minister for economic affairs says the platform company has given him information about the messaging account he claims was hijacked, but will not say what the information is. The panel had gone through the affair at length in the previous episode, and here it is left open — one of the speakers says he has begun to doubt his earlier reading, because the minister keeps pursuing it systematically and a liar would be taking a considerable risk in doing so.

It is the smallest moment in the episode and possibly the best one: the panel returns to its own earlier conclusion and weakens it itself.

How the episode runs

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