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May an activist be interviewed, what a foundation supervises, and the Swedish model for inheritance tax | Weekly Wiseguys, 27 September 2024

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Sami Miettinen and Tere Sammallahti on Ivan Puopolo's Weekly Wiseguys, 27 September 2024, shortly after a climate group defaced the facade of the Finnish Parliament. The episode goes against expectation: the panel defends interviewing the activist and criticises the quality of the interview rather than its existence. The host describes his own interview request to the foundation that funded the group, and the answer he did not get. It closes on polygamy, where the panel disagrees with itself, and on inheritance tax, where it proposes a specific model.

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May an activist be interviewed, what a foundation supervises, and the Swedish model for inheritance tax | Weekly Wiseguys, 27 September 2024

Summary: Sami Miettinen and Tere Sammallahti on Ivan Puopolo’s Weekly Wiseguys, 27 September 2024, shortly after a climate group defaced the facade of the Finnish Parliament. The episode goes against expectation: the panel defends interviewing the activist and criticises the quality of the interview rather than its existence. The host describes his own interview request to the foundation that funded the group, and the answer he did not get. It closes on polygamy, where the panel disagrees with itself, and on inheritance tax, where it proposes a specific model.

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A note on reading this. Weekly Wiseguys is a tongue-in-cheek political panel, not a news broadcast. The speakers are right-of-centre commentators and politicians talking in their own names, sharpening for effect and joking as they go. This article sorts their arguments and marks who said what; it takes no position on who is right, and it does not reproduce the personal jabs. Speakers are named only where the recording itself identifies who is talking: the transcript carries no speaker labels, so uncertain passages are attributed to the panel or to “one of the guests” rather than to a name. The opinions are the speakers’ own.

The panel

Ivan Puopolo hosts; the guests are Sami Miettinen and Tere Sammallahti. Recorded on 27 September 2024, shortly after a climate group defaced the facade of the Finnish Parliament.

The episode goes against what its title suggests — twice.

1. May the person who did it be interviewed? The panel says yes

A current-affairs programme had been criticised for interviewing an activist who took part. The panel comes down on the side of interviewing, and the reasoning is journalistic rather than political:

“If you’re reporting the event anyway, why wouldn’t you interview the person who did it? That isn’t giving them a platform, it’s giving people information.”

From which comes a principle they state in general terms: where the journalistic justification is sufficient, nobody should be left uninterviewed — and refusing an interview should not be used to deny visibility, because that leads to blacklisting and to information being cut off.

Their criticism is therefore of the quality of the interview, not of its existence. The activist’s justification — that the law must be broken because democracy will not otherwise yield — should, they argue, have been challenged immediately, and it was not. Their point of comparison is a hard interviewing style in which a guest is pressed on their own premises and the audience sees for itself what is being claimed.

The section also contains an honest boundary: they ask out loud where the line runs — would the same logic apply to someone who had committed a violent crime — and one speaker admits he has not worked the question through. The admission is worth more here than an answer would have been.

The panel also puts the act itself in proportion: defacing a facade is less dangerous than sitting on a motorway, which the same movement has done before — and the latter involves people’s safety. The proportion runs in the movement’s favour, which is notable.

And finally a norm stated without conditions: if you break the law, the consequences are yours to carry — and doing it with your face uncovered and admitting it is part of the tradition of civil disobedience.

2. An interview request that went unanswered

The most newsworthy stretch is the one in which Ivan Puopolo describes doing the reporting himself. The movement had received a project grant of some €200,000 from a foundation. Puopolo says he sent an interview request and was told there was nothing to add. He then put one precise follow-up question:

“How do you ensure the money is used only for the project and not, even indirectly, to promote or enable unlawful activity?”

No answer is reported.

The question is a good one because it takes no position on the movement’s cause and goes to the mechanism of oversight — and the same question can be put to any funder, including one whose grantees the panel would approve of.

The panel also draws a distinction worth marking, because it runs against their own interest: this is a private foundation, not tax money, so no net taxpayer has been harmed. The criticism is therefore about oversight and communication, not about anyone’s right to give away their own money.

As a comparison they raise the channels through which public money is distributed and note that the same oversight question applies there — and that the answer is equally unclear.

3. Civil disobedience — a question answered honestly

The host asks Tere Sammallahti directly whether he would accept law-breaking as part of social change. The answer has two parts and is the most mature passage in the episode:

  1. The formal answer is no.
  2. But: he describes a scenario in which the answer would change — the exercise of power that is formally lawful but drives towards tyranny — and says that in that situation he would be prepared to break the laws in force.

The panel raises Rosa Parks and notes that civil disobedience is usually judged after the fact and that the winners write the history. They also give a criterion that separates the cases:

Civil disobedience is easier to accept where democratic channels are unavailable. In Finland they are available.

From which comes the most personal argument in the episode: one speaker describes ten years of deliberate work to get into a position to influence things from inside the system, and finds it odd to be told that influence is impossible.

The counter-argument — that the timescale of the climate question does not allow a decade of patient work — is not made in the episode.

4. Polygamy: the panel disagrees with itself

A proposal to legalise polygamy is discussed, and here the genuine disagreement of the episode appears.

The liberal position: the state has no business deciding who people live with. Marriage law is partly out of date, and much of it could be handled by contract.

The objection, which one of them makes explicitly in order to argue the other side — he says so out loud: in countries where polygamy is permitted it produces men left out, because some men fall entirely outside the partner market. The claim is offered as a general observation with no source, and is marked here as unverified.

The answer to the objection is properly liberal: nobody would be obliged to enter such a marriage, and the freedom of choice is greater than in a situation where the same arrangements happen outside the law without protection. The panel also raises the risk — closed communities in which the choice is not free — and leaves the question open.

One speaker ends the section by noting that the matter is extremely marginal, which is the most honest sentence in it.

5. Inheritance tax — the most concrete proposal in the episode

The second half is entirely about reforming inheritance tax, and Sami Miettinen is named as one of the public advocates of the reform alongside business organisations. Readers should know this: it is a party’s proposal, not an outside assessment.

The problem they describe

The proposal

The Swedish model: abolish inheritance tax and have the heir inherit the deceased’s acquisition cost as well. Tax falls only when the asset is sold, and then on the capital gain.

The worked example is given clearly: if the inherited asset is worth €100,000 and the previous owner acquired it for €70,000, the tax is calculated on the €30,000 gain.

The panel argues the change could be revenue-neutral, because the tax arrives later but on a broader base. This is the central empirical claim of the whole section, and it is offered without a calculation — so it is the part to check before assessing the proposal.

What is argument and what is position

Arguments that can be answered:

Positions presented as claims:

Where the panel concedes its limit

One speaker notes that inheritance-tax reform raises nobody’s earned income and does not solve the fact that Finland has high taxes on earned income, on capital income and on inheritance at the same time. That concession narrows their own claim, and it is worth marking.

Claims presented as claims

What survives the episode

  1. Interviewing is not endorsing. A programme you would expect to demand the activist’s silencing demands a harder interview instead — and that is a consistent position.
  2. Ask about oversight, not about the cause. One precise question to a funder is more useful than any characterisation of the funded.
  3. The problem with inheritance tax is timing, not level. The tax falls due before any money has come out of the asset — and that is a checkable problem whatever one thinks of the tax itself.

How the episode runs

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